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Dissolution 101:
Lesson 1
Introduction

Attention! Attention Please! Please have you pencils and your scorecards ready for Today’s lineup.

Batting first and playing Education; District 209
Batting second and playing on the protected status of School Districts; District 209
Batting third and playing bait and switch; District 209
Batting fourth and playing with the numbers; District 209
Batting fifth and playing the public for fools; District 209
Batting sixth and playing games with the lives and fortunes of 10 communities; District 209
Batting seventh and playing both sides against the middle; District 209
Batting eighth and playing the taxpayers; District 209
Batting ninth and playing god with our future; District 209


This is your hometown team. Root Root Root for the Home team?

The system is rigged, the disease; systemic and the cancer is unchecked and spreading.

District 209 contends that it is the feeder communities who are responsible for the dismal performance of Proviso High Schools.
District 209 contends that it -and it alone- is entitled to the tax dollars of the district in the name of education.
District 209 contends that it is so entitled because it has always been and always will be.
District 209 contends that if you don’t like it, you can pay twice to educate your children.
District 209 contends that if you opt out of their schools, you have no say in how they run their schools.
District 209 contends that radical change is not required. That minor adjustments and more tax dollars will solve any and all problems.


I contend differently. I contend that the whole is not greater than the sum of its parts.
That the individual communities that comprise District 209 are ravaged by its influence. That they are damaged by their unwilling affiliation with it.
That they are eager for an opportunity to restore balance and their priorities in regards
to educating their students.


To this end, the only course of action that would allow the kind of faith in, and integrity of, public education at the high school level is dissolution of District 209.

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Originally posted by watcher watcher wrote:


That they are eager for an opportunity to restore balance and their priorities in regards
to educating their students.
Where are those eager parents, watcher? Content with the status quo?
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They and their in this context are all of the community, not just parents.

By culling the number of people with "standing" regarding the schools, the district has been able to maintain its rule. Dissolution opens the process to all.

Wednesday's meeting displayed the discontent with the status quo and a bit of the futility of attempting to "work from within". Most of the attendees had been working on improvements in a limited way, and most have found themselves pushed aside.
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Originally posted by watcher watcher wrote:

They and their in this context are all of the community, not just parents.
Understood that, but have to ask again, where are the parents in all of this? Other than the government, the power for change is really in the hands of the parents. Is some education better than no education? Do they believe their kids are doing just fine? I'm trying to understand the mindset that makes Proviso an OK place to send their kids.
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Or are the schools merely cheap babysitters?

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It's a good question. My answer is that they're making the best choices they can. One of the difficulties faced when discussing Proviso is that it is not a complete failure. There are teachers teaching and students learning and parents who are involved. It's just when you factor in the students who aren't there, the families who are gone from the community and the countless ripple effects, that the balance tips decidedly that the current model is NFG.


Of the options, or lack thereof, that are available to parents, those who think Proviso is an acceptable choice arrive at that decision for different reasons.

It is, after all, ONLY four years and kids CAN get an education at Proviso. Most make it out the other end of the tunnel relatively intact. The monies saved on private school tuition can be used for college or vocational training.

Some know their child is motivated. Some know their child needs the extra help that is available. Some believe strongly in PUBLIC education. Some think that bad stuff is what happens to other people. And some are looking for cheap babysitting.

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There seems to be a bit of confusion as to what Dissolution entails/ involves,
how the process works and what good it would do.

The process can be initiated by petition of registered voters or by motion of the Board of
Education. (another subtle hint to Bob Cox).

Once put on the ballot, the question to the voters would be: Shall School District 209 be dissolved. Yes or No.

If the Yes side prevails, there would no longer be a District 209. There would still be schools and classes and teachers, taxes and everything else that happens. Instead of being run by the current structure, it would be monitored and administered by a State appointed
Transition Authority.

In effect, it would create 10 free agent communities who would be required to submit an education plan to the State within a set time period. During that time, Proviso East, West and PMSA would go on “normally”. An audit of district 209’s assets and liabilities would take place and each of the communities would be assigned their shares. Nothing would be liquidated. There would NOT be an instant exodus or collapse. It would simply begin a process of community-based discussion and decisions for the betterment of all concerned.
The books would be opened and available for inspection, evaluation and objective scrutiny.

The goal of dissolution is a district or districts that serve and reflect the community, meet or exceed the state standards, have the support and confidence of the citizens and are
better positioned to meet challenges in the future. Each community would assess its present / future needs, wants and desires, and determine what is best for them.

It would be a search for common ground and provide a vehicle to attain what people have said they’ve wanted from our public high school all along. 209 is a relatively wealthy district with a strong tax base. There is a strong sense of civic pride within each of the individual communities. There is also a strong resentment toward 209’s using them against each other to maintain control.

It would be naïve to think that the current power players would not seek to take advantage of this opportunity, but they would control nothing unless approved by the citizens, state board and, more likely than not, the courts.

The criteria would be community based, with oversight. Studies could be made of any and all possible permutations of the current alliances and potential mergers so that all interests are protected and the outcome, while not without risk, will truly represent what
people want and expect from a community-based high school.




Edited by watcher - 12/August/2007 at 9:44am
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thanks, watcher. this is pretty clear.
 
"In effect, it would create 10 free agent communities who would be required to submit an education plan to the State.."
 
if you know - who, in each community, would take responsibility for this plan? are people appointed to a committee? if so, who would make that appointment?
 
how would the transitional leaders get to be the leaders?
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Oh please. Who would control it then? I'll tell you. The same 10 Mayors that control it now. You know. The ones that are screwing it up as we speak. Your solution is no solution. Stop re-electing the problems Calderone, Serpico, Welch and the problems begin to be solved. Until that happens all your doing is trying to sound smart. STOP RE-ELECTING THEM.
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A lot would depend on the resulting district(s).


In a community like Westchester, they already took the step to form a unit district (K-12) in hopes of de-annexing from 209. The attempt failed, but the unit district may still be intact. That would be the natural place for Westchester to begin, but it wouldn't automatically be their plan.

For Hillside, Maywood and Forest Park where there the school buildings are, the situation complicates a little. These are shared assets of the district owned proportionately. They could trade asset shares for liability shares with the others to gain "ownership". If Forest Park chose not to exercise an option on PMSA, or Maywood on East or Hillside on West, those assets would have to be dealt with by other means.

In districts that are currently split by two high school districts, (Stone Park, Northlake, Melrose Park) different questions are posed.

IOW, there are likely results, but nothing is certain. There are predictable comers for leadership positions, but that too is an open process. The hope is people will find ways to work together. The resources of the former district might offer assistance and some level of funding.

In truth, the communities haven't spoken to each other in quite some time. We've all avoided much of any discussion about Proviso. The initial talks will be balky and awkward, but could be facilitated.

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Originally posted by Sentry Sentry wrote:

Stop re-electing the problems Calderone, Serpico, Welch and the problems begin to be solved. 
What do you really believe will be changed, Sentry? Faces, names with different alliances, contracts to be handed to their own friends?
 
watcher: "The system is rigged, the disease; systemic and the cancer is unchecked and spreading."
 
There is no cure, short of a big hammer from outside of Proviso, only palliative treatment, a bandaid here or there, dissolution just another tool to manipulate the system. Sad, sick and honestly what I believe. 
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Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

Or are the schools merely cheap babysitters?

 
Thats a laugh; take a look at your tax bill!


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Well I don't have kids so I meant to some of the folks who use the schools as a babysitter; in particular, some of the more transient folks of Forest Park with not a lot of anything invested in its well being (yes, right down to not have their vehicle tags....haha).
 
And I try not to look at the tax bill too much as it has doubled since I bought in 1990!  Thank God I wasn't talked into that Adjustable Rate Mortgage or I would totally be screwed.


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What can citizen activism achieve at District 209?

I am concerned that well-meaning activism will be squandered chasing after an unattainable goal.
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How many of the people now griping had a Cox, Foreman, Johnson sign in their yard in April?

How can these people be shocked that Chris Welch's candidates voted to keep Chris Welch as board president? Are they shocked Chris Welch continued to behave as he's been behaving for years?

Why is it that the "White" Forest Parkers who supported Cox, Foreman and Johnson could work with Blacks in supporting the machine ticket, but they can't get their hands dirty working with Blacks for reform?
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watcher- "Would anybody like to offer an explanation of the lack of interest in APN?" Here you go Mr Nyberg, it says it all.

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Logic, what is APN?
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Originally posted by Sentry Sentry wrote:

Stop re-electing the problems Calderone, Serpico, Welch and the problems begin to be solved.

Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

What do you really believe will be changed, Sentry? Faces, names with different alliances, contracts to be handed to their own friends?

watcher: "The system is rigged, the disease; systemic and the cancer is unchecked and spreading."

There is no cure, short of a big hammer from outside of Proviso, only palliative treatment, a bandaid here or there, dissolution just another tool to manipulate the system. Sad, sick and honestly what I believe.



Didn't want this to get lost in the shuffle. Not surprisingly, Sentry needs help. Despite claims and innuenndo, the tail doesn't wag the dog, at least not in
functional places.

The problems in District 209 started long before Calderone and Serpico. Also, not surprisingly, both Tony and Ron are products of the district.
As such they are just a distillation of the "Proviso Ways" just putting into practice what they were taught as students.
FastForward 30+ years, gloss over the missed opportunities and it would be easy to blame the current power structure for the failure.

NObody outside of Proviso is going to arrive like the cavalry to save the settlers. Dissolution, far from being just another manipulative tool, would give the disenfranchised a seat at the big table and a chance for a fresh start.

Would that spark interest?




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Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

Logic, what is APN?


That one had ME scratching my head. I didn't remember saying anything like that... HERE.

She dragged the quote over from
All Proviso Network

Taking cross-posting ONE STEP BEYOND!
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All Proviso Network, the OTHER forum. It's not attracting much attention, mine either. Why? b/c though the problems have been well-defined, there is no workable solution. The politicos are entrenched (for life?), electing others (with their own entourage) it a swap not a fix, the numbers of players (whether in for a penny or pound) are multi-layered, have seen little in the way of parental outrage r/t the school's academic standing. They have a nice little operation set-up for themselves.
 
Out of curiosity, what do you think the Feds are looking for?
 
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Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

All Proviso Network, the OTHER forum. It's not attracting much attention, mine either. Why? b/c though the problems have been well-defined, there is no workable solution. The politicos are entrenched (for life?), electing others (with their own entourage) it a swap not a fix, the numbers of players (whether in for a penny or pound) are multi-layered, have seen little in the way of parental outrage r/t the school's academic standing. They have a nice little operation set-up for themselves.

Out of curiosity, what do you think the Feds are looking for?


The Feds are looking for a chink they can breach. We've gone through a re-defining of "legal" that's in need of adjustment. It's been monkey see, monkey do among the bigger fish in the smaller ponds.

I, of course, agree almost completely with your summary.
Except for the parental outrage part, which manifests itself in moving OUT of 209. You want to see angry, frustrated parents? Check out the real estate section.

"Who needs this? We're outta here!"

Which, of course, brings us back to dissolution. It offers a time-out in the insanity during which sanity has a fighting chance to get back into the game.


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i vote for dissolution, if for no other reason than D209 is too large. i've heard anywhere from 9 to 13 different communities! it's not doable. it has no connection. it's not local.
 
logics asks about parental involvement. carl about citizen involvement.
 
i offer that those actions will naturally happen when folks can see a manageable goal. it is much more normal for parents & neighbors to be involved than not be involved. but has to be possible. and local.
 
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I do believe this has been tried before and the problem is that the 209 Board has to agree.  Since FP is one of their biggest tax bases that agreement will not be likely.  I understand this was the issue with Westchester also.
 
Honestly, if FP pulls out where is East going to get its tax money?  Maywood, Bellwood, Broadview?
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Originally posted by watcher watcher wrote:

You want to see angry, frustrated parents? Check out the real estate section.

"Who needs this? We're outta here!"
Not those of us leaving, watcher, the present/future parents of Proviso students.
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Originally posted by Dr. Barbie Dr. Barbie wrote:

I do believe this has been tried before and the problem is that the 209 Board has to agree. Since FP is one of their biggest tax bases that agreement will not be likely. I understand this was the issue with Westchester also.

Honestly, if FP pulls out where is East going to get its tax money? Maywood, Bellwood, Broadview?


That would be de-annexation and you're right doomed to fail.

Dissolution is different because it REMOVES 209 from the process.

Questions of funding do need to be studied and addressed. 209's tax base effects the funding formula from other sources so it's not truthful to say that breaking the district up into a smaller, more manageable, more accountable, more community based structure would mean the remaining taxpayers will be unable to support the schools.

I would argue that the opposite is true. That by reconnecting the communities with viable high schools;
without the toxicity and baggage of 209, taxpayers would have a school system worthy of their investment and support.

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Yah O.K. Watcher. So Westchester spends millions trying to get out and it fails. So now dissolution is your answer. O.K. That will cost each and every of the 10 communities millions to do. Then we have to settle the 209 debt between the 10 communities. Millions more to each. Then we all set up our own new and improved high schools and then we re-elect all the same characters to run our 10 new schools instead of 3 old ones. 1st show me that the voters of Forest Park and Proviso care enough to elect responsible people to oversee education and expenditure of our tax money rather than the way they/we have done in the past. Which has been to elect and re-elect the same crooks over and over when we all know they are raping and pillaging the tax coffers and could give a shit about quality education. Show me that the voters are smart enough to do this just once before we all spend millions more to get the same result. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. Thats how I see it and all your fancy words are nothing but just that. Fancy words that are expensive to implement and have no real chance of success. A vote for change is cheap but priceless. And way more effective.
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Yah Okay Sentry, it makes SO much more sense to continue tossing $70 MILLION down the 209 drain and more each and every year in perpetuity.

Welch was a reformer. Manzo was a reformer. Klacynski was prominent in the Westchester move. Flowers, Kelly, Cox, the list goes on and on. Individually incapable of fixing the problem because the kids from the feeder districts who would make Proviso a "normal" high school don't go there.

With two notable exceptions, the feeder districts of 209 are well run and functional. By coincidence, those two exceptions represent the controlling interest of 209.

But yeah, I'll just cast a vote to fix it and everything will be sunshine and lollipops.
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Thats right. Electing the right people that will allow real professionals and not the Stan Fields of the world, to implement education and use that $70 million in a responsible way will make it all lollipops. Your solution is no solution. It merely temporarily delays the inevitable return of the same old bosses unless people focus their efforts and energy and votes to the right people. Quit over thinking it. Be simple for once and actually get something done other than bunching big word together which say nothing. Mine costs nothing and has never been tried. Yours costs millions and has been tried and failed. Your choice.   
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Okay Diogenes, the clock's ticking.
Four seats up for election in 2008? Grab that lantern and lead the way!

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The following was posted on The Probe today and bears cross-posting here. I have been a lurker on this board and on this thread and similarly related District 209 threads here for a while. I am wondering if the long-term and frequent talk of dissolution on this and similar threads is nothing more than a form of self-stimulation? 

         "The Dissolution Solution said...

The concept of dissolution has been kicking around for quite some time, especially, on a particular Forest Park forum. For some posters on that forum, the idea of dissolution seems to be more of a literary spring board for fancy rhetoric filled with metaphors, hyperbole, and stretched analogies then it is a viable path to follow to correct the ills in District 209.

These individuals and others who subscribe to the dissolution solution have not seemed to have implemented one demonstrative community action, one significant, organizational step beyond the talk stage, to introduce and promote the concept to the majority of District 209 voters. Why not? Why is it taking so much time? What's holding them back?

Well, of course, it's their unspoken realization that the idea of dissolution --- championed by a group which is easily seen by the majority of District 209 voters as outsiders --- stands a snowball's chance in Hell of appealing to Black and Hispanic voters much less garnering their votes. Who have these "dissolutioners" got on board? Any local community leaders? Any local politicians? Any local high level educators? Any community action groups with significant numbers? Unlikely. The politicians in power do not want to relinguish the power. The voters are easily swayed by those currently in power or are simply comfortable with the status quo, and the high level educators know who butters their bread.

Writing and bantering about dissolution makes for an entertaining topic among a select few, but, when push comes to shove, it all boils down to evanescent blatherings".


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