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cause cameras don't lie. or feel allegiance.
remember the old reporter's note? ask 10 witnesses what they saw and you'll get 10 different answers.
 
therefore, the FPPD and the taxpayers purchased cameras. easy, huh?
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Originally posted by Sizzle Sizzle wrote:

Okay, I could get into a discussion about who insulted who, yada yada.  That's just immature.  Instead, I will just repeat the questions to Carl that I already posted near the beginning of this discussion.
 
Number 1.   Carl, you noted a "rumor" in your blog about FPPD's practice of deliberately turning off their dash cams.  Can you tell us where you heard that rumor, and why do you believe it?
 
Number 2. Do you have a factual basis to form an opinion that mulitiple officers (not just the one officer in that one instance) have been doing this?  If so, what is your basis?
 
Number 3. Chief Ryan disciplined the officer in that instance for not having his dash camera on.  Please explain why you think Chief Ryan condones this behavior, based on this instance.
 
Number 4. You seemed to have given a half assed answer to this one.  Was you e-mail to Mike before your unfounded alegation or after?
I also noted that during this discussion, you posted a comment showing that you have requested dash cam data from Mike Sturino.  Does this mean that you do not have the data to support your claims and inferences you made in your original blog post?
 
...... I think a true journalist would try to get both sides of a story, regardless of their own personal slant.  You don't have to answer this one, it's just a thought. 
 
 
Any answers Carl? 
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Originally posted by BBones BBones wrote:

[QUOTE=Sizzle]

Number 1.   Carl, you noted a "rumor" in your blog about FPPD's practice of deliberately turning off their dash cams.  Can you tell us where you heard that rumor, and why do you believe it

Number 2. Do you have a factual basis to form an opinion that multiple officers (not just the one officer in that one instance) have been doing this?  If so, what is your basis

Number 3 Chief Ryan disciplined the officer in that instance for not having his dash camera on.  Please explain why you think Chief Ryan condones this behavior, based on this instance

Number 4. You seemed to have given a half assed answer to this one.  Was you e-mail to Mike before your unfounded alegation or after

Any answers Carl? 


#1. It is not a rumor. On one side you criticize Carl of not being an ethical journalist then you want him to reveal his sources. Journalists never give up their source. You can't have it both ways now can you? A cop has been disciplined for not using his camera according to the coward Sizzle. How many more cops have been disciplined? How many tapes exist on file? Why isn't Hedonism III aka the FPPD releasing this information? Will it be to damaging?

#2. If this new cop has figured out how not to use his camera and as a new guy feels like it is O.K. to not use his camera then common sense will tell you that someone told him not to worry about it. New people always want to impress their boss and do everything right. Of course unless this is what he has been taught. Common sense tells you if one is not using their camera other are not using their camera. Of course common sense isn't exactly rampant over at Hedonism III aka the FPPD.
#3. The disgraced Ryan thought that one cop swearing at another cop in roll call was reason to terminate a 20+ year veteran. So if swearing is a termination offense, what possible discipline did he dole out to the cop that didn't use his camera and tasered a black man numerous times until he crapped in his pants? We know one thing for sure. The disgraced Ryan didn't fire him did he? Swearing gets you fired. And violating civil rights gets you a letter of reprimand and additional training over at Hedonism III. Go figure.
#4. Carl asked for a copy of the policy on using cameras. We can all assume there is a policy that requires the cops to actually use the camera installed in their car. Right? The question the coward Sizzle asked is stupid. After all. The coward said the disgraced Ryan disciplined the cop. Why would the disgraced Ryan discipline him if there was no policy?
Once again. Many questions have been asked of the coward Sizzle with no answers. After all. The coward Sizzle has all the answers. Right?     
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Your an ass
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..........and a hole
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Originally posted by BBones BBones wrote:

Your an ass


About what I'd expect from a blowhard. That is also where you pull most of your "information" from.
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Originally posted by JBWB JBWB wrote:

..........and a hole


More wisdom and insight from you guessed it a Calderone supporter.     
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Anyone who asks has a right to view the taser/squad cam policies without any terms or conditions r/t the identity of the requester.
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Gee, I'm pretty sure I asked Nyberg these questions, but Sentry keeps jumping all over it like I'm talking to her.  C'mon Carl, I've asked these questions twice now.  You're the one who said you wouldn't let me out of this discussion so easy.  Seems you're the one who disappeared.
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Sentry thinks everybody is talking to her.  She's the one in the room who thinks she's part of every conversation, whether she's welcome or not.
 
As for Carl, he's busy whoring his blog.
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1. The source of the information was secondary and not primary.
2. The basis is the source of the information.
3. I believe Chief Ryan hands out discipline based on who he perceives as allies and enemies. Political allies of Calderone and the FPPD "in crowd" get preferential treatment. Ryan also implements draconian discipline against cops he doesn't like.
4. Asking for confirmation from an official source is hardly the same as not having info.

Here's my question for BBones and Sizzle, if it turns out that FPPD officers were systematically turning off their cameras, will it change your mind about the FPPD, Chief Jim Ryan, Mike Sturino or Mayor Calderone?
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Originally posted by Dr. Barbie Dr. Barbie wrote:

As for Carl, he's busy whoring his blog.


Some would say a whore is one who defends a politician no matter what they do.
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That wasnt nice VG.
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Originally posted by Dr. Barbie Dr. Barbie wrote:

Sentry thinks everybody is talking to her. 
I'm talking to Sentry, so are you
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Actually I find her more of a cat toy.  Bat it around a little and watch it react.
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Always liked this quote:

Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle --- Philo
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Originally posted by videoguy videoguy wrote:

Originally posted by Dr. Barbie Dr. Barbie wrote:

As for Carl, he's busy whoring his blog.


Some would say a whore is one who defends a politician no matter what they do.
 
 Yes, just like Carl who now advertises for Doolin on his blog.
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Blogging whores..so whos the pimp daddy?
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There is a perfectly legitimate reason why they don't turn on the cameras. A video camera adds 20lbs to your appearance. Our officers get distressed when they think they look fat. Having the cameras off saves them the emotional distress.

Honey, does this new utility belt make my ass look big to you?

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Why anyone would pay to advertise on a free site is beyond me.....blogspot.com is FREE.
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The ads are not free. Thats how bloggers make money. But if Doolin pays for an ad on the site, how is that Carl whoring for him? No sense, "Dr.".
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My perplexity is that anyone would pay money to advertise on a FREE, doesn't cost Carl anything but time (which I presume he has a lot of), blog.  It's not like this that does at least cost admin something to keep running.  And there are no ads here.
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Originally posted by videoguy videoguy wrote:

The ads are not free. Thats how bloggers make money. But if Doolin pays for an ad on the site, how is that Carl whoring for him? No sense, "Dr.".
 
I didn't say Carl was whoring for Doolin.  I just saw this thread as Carl reminding us once again that he has a blog that we should all be reading.
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Hey, I think it works perfectly for both of them. Nyberg gets to feel important because someone advertises on his worthless blog and Doolin gets to advertise in something he can still afford. A perfect match.
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Do you suppose if Carl ever gives up living on the street he'll use Doolin as a realtor?
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Originally posted by Dr. Barbie Dr. Barbie wrote:

Do you suppose if Carl ever gives up living on the street he'll use Doolin as a realtor?
 
Well, I certainly hope he would. 
 
I couldn't imaging him using Donna Serpico.  (Not only a real estate agent but also Ron Serpico's wife) 
 
 
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Originally posted by jailbird jailbird wrote:

Hey, I think it works perfectly for both of them. Nyberg gets to feel important because someone advertises on his worthless blog and Doolin gets to advertise in something he can still afford. A perfect match.
 
Are you implying that I am no longer a man of means?   
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Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

Why anyone would pay to advertise on a free site is beyond me.....blogspot.com is FREE.
 
Goggle is FREE to it's users as well.  Why would anyone pay to advertise on that FREE site? 
 
Because you pay to get your name & product/service in front of people visiting those FREE sites. 
 
Check ProvisoProbes site meter.  In the past 2 years, almost 300,000 people visited that site.  As such, it is reasonable to assume most of those visiting the site live locally since much of the information posted there is local in nature.  
 
Having the ability to reach approximately 100,000 people (give or take as many visit on a regular basis) a year in your local market is worth exploring. 
 
Case & point.  In the short time I have been advertising on Carl's blog, I have been stopped and/or approached by people in Westchester, Berwyn & Broadview that said they recognized me from my picture on ProvisoProbe.  These are contacts I wouldn't have made if not for the ad on ProvisoProbe. 
 
This is the why? of why would anyone pay to advertise on FREE sites.     
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Thanks for the response Patrick.  I'm glad it's worked out for you.  I still don't see how Carl can charge for something that is free to him.  Want to advertise on my blog too?
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jsut kidding


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i don't get your question, pie. about carl's blog. how is his time & energy free, anymore than google?

or, isn't everything free until you put a price tag on it, and see if folks agree w/you?


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