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Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

yeah, but...
if the mandate was clear and had the full vc behind it, and a proper chief was hired, there would be no reason for any mayor to fiddle in day-to-day.


Yeah, but...
Pope was hand-picked by MATC and endorsed by the full VC. Ryan was hand-picked by MATC and approved by the last majority. Why would you think the NEXT hand-picked by MATC chief would be different?
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Ryan's motivation for over stepping Calderone on the Johnsen deal is simple and everyone knows it, Johnsen was a constant threat to taking Ryan's job.
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Have to keep reminding myself to behave. (sorry off-topic)
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I say Carl Nyberg for police chief, that way job opportunities will open up for serving breakfast, lunch and diner with white gloves to the criminals in the jails.
 
Oooops almost forgot, the police will also ask for permission from a suspect if it is OK to arrest them.
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Carl will also appoint Bill dope Dwyer to beat up the police officers if they look funny at someone.
 
Let the show begin!
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Originally posted by watcher watcher wrote:

Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

yeah, but...
if the mandate was clear and had the full vc behind it, and a proper chief was hired, there would be no reason for any mayor to fiddle in day-to-day.


Yeah, but...
Pope was hand-picked by MATC and endorsed by the full VC. Ryan was hand-picked by MATC and approved by the last majority. Why would you think the NEXT hand-picked by MATC chief would be different?
 
well, i've been thinking all week that the problem is our stupid form of gov't, that creates & breeds at least half the problems in the town. but i didn't want to divert attention.
 
too much power on one person's plate. bad system.
 
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The Mayor showing unwavering support for a chief that has been ineffective in correcting the problems within our PD is one problem. If he is the only one who can ask for a resignation or look for a replacement, that's another. The VC votes to approve a candidate for hiring, but only one person can fire or retire a Department Head? Is that correct?
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Originally posted by administrator administrator wrote:

The Mayor showing unwavering support for a chief that has been ineffective in correcting the problems within our PD is one problem. If he is the only one who can ask for a resignation or look for a replacement, that's another. The VC votes to approve a candidate for hiring, but only one person can fire or retire a Department Head? Is that correct?
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What's the problem with that?  Don't you understand JBWB's point?  Calderone supports Ryan, so if you support Calderone and think he's a decent mayor overall, you have absolutely no right whatsoever to complain about any decision he makes.  After all, you are either with him, or you are against him.  Since you voted to "keep it going," then you should just shut up.  Otherwise, we might have Carl Nyberg as police chief.
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From what I remember, you used to like Nyberg. At least he has a degree, which is what your favorite candidate used to push for in a department head.
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Originally posted by administrator administrator wrote:

From what I remember, you used to like Nyberg. At least he has a degree, which is what your favorite candidate used to push for in a department head.
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As you might have surmised, I meant my post mostly as a jab at JBWB.  That said, there are things I like about Nyberg, although I have always doubted that we see eye to eye on most political issues.  When it comes to local politics, though, I really don't care what someone's view is on national political issues.
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Citizen was right about there being a problem with our "local" system of government. If the Mayor or a commissioner is the only person who can retain or discharge a department head, doesn't that create a symbiotic relationship between the two? That might be fine in an idyllic situation, but leaves too much room for undue influence and personal ties. It's a form of patronage that makes me uncomfortable. It essentially means that we may have to wait 4 years for a new police chief. How depressing.

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Correction..... 3.5 and counting.

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