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The P.D. is at the boiling point, nobody can stand Ryan. Ryan is a joke and should be forced into retirment and Calderone is a failure.
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Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

it appears the problem w/chief ryan is that he is not the leader. the mayor is.
time for the commissioners to reel tony in.
 
If what you say is true citizen, then Johnsen would still be on the force doing his job.
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Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

His not honoring the Mayor's handshake agreement with Johnsen on the whole Shaw debacle? 
Do you believe that was Ryan's sole decision or did he take a hit for the Mayor?

Not for a second.  If he did, then he really should go as he is not doing his job.
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Originally posted by Insider Insider wrote:

The P.D. is at the boiling point, nobody can stand Ryan. Ryan is a joke and should be forced into retirment and Calderone is a failure.
 
retirement? sounds lovely.
who exactly funds a police officer's retirement - the union?
 
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Ryan is already collecting a pension from when he retired from the Schaumburg PD. So it's not like he's going to go hungry. Been spending the last few years double-dipping. Which might also explain the lackluster performance and underachieving.

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Ryan is collection a pension from another department and making good money in FP.  He doesn't need this headache right now; however, Ryan and Tony are connected at the hip and I don't think Ryan's will to take the hit on this one.  They'll probably sink or swim together while he keeps earning a darn good pay check to boot.
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There I go with the Sp. again!  Meant to say Ryan is collecting.Approve Oops!
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I hope they sink.
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Originally posted by Insider Insider wrote:

The P.D. is at the boiling point, nobody can stand Ryan. Ryan is a joke and should be forced into retirment and Calderone is a failure.
insider, can you expand.
is ryan just a poor manager? is he stupid, or just doesn't care?
 
and how does calderone figure in? who is the leader/brains of the duo?
 
 
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Academically Ryan would be challenged by a sixth grader and Calderone is a high school drop out who always wanted to be a cop. Two peas in a pod. If they don't leave on their own the feds are going to have their tails sitting next to ex Gov. Ryan. I just hope the fallout doesn't hurt other good people on the department.
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Originally posted by Insider Insider wrote:

Academically Ryan would be challenged by a sixth grader and Calderone is a high school drop out who always wanted to be a cop. Two peas in a pod. If they don't leave on their own the feds are going to have their tails sitting next to ex Gov. Ryan. I just hope the fallout doesn't hurt other good people on the department.
 
Hey.  If Ryan would be academically challenged by a sixth grader it begs the question, "Is he smarter than a 5th grader?"
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hmm. calderone as a cop. not too comfortable w/that image.
the review editorial really zinged him on that today.
 
so you're basically saying that they both mess around w/people and the department because they can? and are not smart enough to anticipate the consequences? and when the sh*t hits the fan, they blame it on political enemies/vindictive employees?
 
any shrinks in the house? what's the diagnosis?
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so you're basically saying that they both mess around w/people and the department because they can? and are not smart enough to anticipate the consequences? and when the sh*t hits the fan, they blame it on political enemies/vindictive employees


Pretty much seems to sum it up. I think a shrink would call it extreme narcissism, for Calderone. He thinks he can do anything and get away with it. Karma is a bitch, and he is ignoring it.
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back to bill dwyer's column in today's review.
 
it does not seem that the PD can get itself straight without the commissioners' insisting. there is no other real way, everything else is band-aids.
so, fellow residents & taxpayers, what can we do to ensure their 'political will?"
 
also, has anyone tallied up the costs involved w/lawsuits, investigations w/the PD over the past 10 or so years?
 
 
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Originally posted by videoguy videoguy wrote:

Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

so you're basically saying that they both mess around w/people and the department because they can? and are not smart enough to anticipate the consequences? and when the sh*t hits the fan, they blame it on political enemies/vindictive employees


Pretty much seems to sum it up. I think a shrink would call it extreme narcissism, for Calderone. He thinks he can do anything and get away with it. Karma is a bitch, and he is ignoring it.
 
I agree Video Guy.  They real problem for Calderone (and by hanging his hat with this guy, Ryan) is that they really did believe that they can do what they want, retaliate against whoever they pleased.  They didn't care about the cost to the tax payers or what would happen in the press.  They thought they were the ultimate power and could scare the opposition (not necessarily political opposition) away.  They were the last word in this village.  Now the FEDS are watching and they are in the big leagues!  They already thought they were but they were sadly mistaken.  The FEDS play for keeps!  They have such a high conviction rate they they don't even go for the indictments unless they are certain they can convict.  Another thing they seem to do is follow the feeding chain.  The little guys are always the first to be indicted because they can offer them deals and go after the big fish.  I suspect the big fish in town are 1). The Chief of Police 2). The mayor.  Hope they've had they're fun because there is (almost) always a price to pay.
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Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

also, has anyone tallied up the costs involved w/lawsuits, investigations w/the PD over the past 10 or so years? 


Almost all settlements come with a non-disclosure clause. I would guess that many police abuse cases involving personal harm or injury settle in the 6 figure range.

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Is there yet another officer out on paid administrative leave now?  for excessive force?  and being kept real, real quiet? 
 
Don't we taxpayers have a right to know? 
 
How many officers are out on paid administrative leave? 
 
Who's minding the store? 
 
Who's left on the force?  The parking enforcement officers?
 
RYAN MUST GO.
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Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

 
Who's minding the store? 
 
Who's left on the force?  The parking enforcement officers?
 
RYAN MUST GO.


This summer Ryan suspended one of the PEO's until January. Over hot dogs!
He asked the guy to hook him up with "Hot Dog" the owner of Jimmies Hot Dogs on Grand avenue. The PEO contacted Hot Dog who told him all the dogs would be free, and to give the chief his number so he could call him the day before about how many they needed, and what time someone would pick them up. The PEO passed the number & instructions onto the Chief.
Well, the word is that the chief forgot to call or have someone take care of it. On the day of the event there were no dogs. The Chief then told the PEO..... You set me up to look bad, and for that you're going home for the rest of the year!

The PEO was not asked to follow up on the free hot dogs. He did what he was asked to do and passed the info to the chief. The chief messed up and blamed it on the PEO.
End of story. (Except for the part where he threatened the job of another PEO afterwards because he's a friend of the first.)

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Originally posted by administrator administrator wrote:

Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

 
Who's minding the store? 
 
Who's left on the force?  The parking enforcement officers?
 
RYAN MUST GO.


This summer Ryan suspended one of the PEO's until January. Over hot dogs!
He asked the guy to hook him up with "Hot Dog" the owner of Jimmies Hot Dogs on Grand avenue. The PEO contacted Hot Dog who told him all the dogs would be free, and to give the chief his number so he could call him the day before about how many they needed, and what time someone would pick them up. The PEO passed the number & instructions onto the Chief.
Well, the word is that the chief forgot to call or have someone take care of it. On the day of the event there were no dogs. The Chief then told the PEO..... You set me up to look bad, and for that you're going home for the rest of the year!

The PEO was not asked to follow up on the free hot dogs. He did what he was asked to do and passed the info to the chief. The chief messed up and blamed it on the PEO.
End of story. (Except for the part where he threatened the job of another PEO afterwards because he's a friend of the first.)

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you're kidding, right? your story cannot be true.
an adult did this? our police chief did this?
 
 
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Nice. We have a man who can't plan a picnic managing employees who carry guns and nightsticks. Good to see you folks starting to wake up.
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The person who told me this is not prone to lying. He's a police officer in another town who knows both of the PEO's in question. I heard the PEO was suspended but not the reason why until last week. I have no reason to doubt the validity of the story. If anyone knows the PEO's, I'm sure they can confirm it. (Unless someone gets to them first and tells them to shut up. Or else.)

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Originally posted by Legion Legion wrote:

Nice. We have a man who can't plan a picnic managing employees who carry guns and nightsticks. Good to see you folks starting to wake up.
 
1) can't plan a picnic (incompetence)
2) wants to have a picnic, but doesn't want to pay for the picnic (arrogance, entitlement)
3) frustrated by his own stupidity, serves up cruel & unusual punishment (cruelty, anger un-management)
4) and threatens an innocent. to boot. (insanity)
 
admin, wrong emoticon. not sadness, madness.


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Ok then. The next time I'll use this one: Loco

Actually, the tears were for the suspended PEO. He's been a long time employee and is a great guy. Sorry to see him handed the short end of the stick for trying to do someone a favor.
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He doesnt get paid enough to buy his own hot dogs? What a loser. Unbelievable.
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I'll have to find out if it was a personal, departmental, or village-wide event. Not that it matters, but I'd like to know for curiosity's sake. Does anyone remember if there were hot dogs at Groovin in the Grove? Were there any PD picnics this summer? Did Montefiore have a class reunion?



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Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

it appears the problem w/chief ryan is that he is not the leader. the mayor is.
time for the commissioners to reel tony in.
 
If what you say is true citizen, then Johnsen would still be on the force doing his job.


Not if the whole affair was a ruse to make Calderone look like the "reasonable" person caught in the middle of an internal dispute.  It's also possible that Calderone was willing to let Ryan have his way on that one rather than risk undermining his already-weakened police chief further.  Calderone's also sparred with Ryan on the whole issue of the "police surge" at Thornton's, of which Ryan was skeptical would be effective.

Basically, as mayor, Calderone's only real authority over Ryan is to replace him.  Perhaps he isn't comfortable using the "nuclear option."
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first, thanks admin, for putting some 'meat' on the problems w/chief ryan.
folks can say he is petty, vindictive, incompetent til the cows come home, but actual reports help make it real, help folks decide. of course, not all reporters are credible, but you are. certainly in this case. 
 
i found the fpr editorials interesting that they didn't really care about getting rid of ryan - just another badge.
their analysis focused on the mayor and the commissioners. perhaps that is where we need to keep our focus, also. they recommend:
  • outside agent present analysis of PD climate, recurring problems to full VC 
  • whole VC set out clear expectations
  • hire a proper chief
  • mayor butt out of PD operations

the last item will likely be the most difficult to achieve.

 


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That's actually the problem, Calderone butts out too much, Ryan says boo and Calderone hides under the desk. I don't know what's worse though, he's two faced and has no clue how to run anything. If it wasn't for his political title his alarm business would be in the ground by now too. Hope the feds catch on to that. How many businesses in town large and small use his company(even village buildings)? Check it out. 

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Originally posted by Insider Insider wrote:

That's actually the problem, Calderone butts out too much, Ryan says boo and Calderone hides under the desk. I don't know what's worse though, he's two faced and has no clue how to run anything. If it wasn't for his political title his alarm business would be in the ground by now too. Hope the feds catch on to that. How many businesses in town large and small use his company(even village buildings)? Check it out. 

 
yeah, but...
if the mandate was clear and had the full vc behind it, and a proper chief was hired, there would be no reason for any mayor to fiddle in day-to-day.
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Your right, meddling in the day to day ops. wouldn't be appropriate for any Mayor but he is still responsible for keeping everyone in line. Johnsen's cenario was a perfect example. People should look into what Ryan might be holding over Calderone's head. There are reasons why the tail is wagging the dog.

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