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    Posted: 06/May/2008 at 6:04pm
Check the web Wednesday, folks. You'll be interested in the news regarding the judgement of Lil MAC's hand picked Fire and Police Commission.
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Lil MAC is just apologizing ahead of time, in his bought and paid for house rag, for what's soon to be clear are his numerous major and inexcusable gaffes in governance.

Hefty bills for the tax payers are sure to follow, folks, as they have for the past several years. Drip, drip, drip, like chinese water torture. Except people here voted in the idiot with his hand on the water faucet.

Maybe the next several months will finally toss enough indisputable facts in their collective face that even the die hard Calderonistas will stop defending this inept clown and his underlings like the utterly "incredible" Jim Ryan.
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Careful, Mr. D. You might be called a "terrorist".   
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Originally posted by Mr. D Mr. D wrote:

Lil MAC is just apologizing ahead of time, in his bought and paid for house rag, for what's soon to be clear are his numerous major and inexcusable gaffes in governance.

Hefty bills for the tax payers are sure to follow, folks, as they have for the past several years. Drip, drip, drip, like chinese water torture. Except people here voted in the idiot with his hand on the water faucet.

Maybe the next several months will finally toss enough indisputable facts in their collective face that even the die hard Calderonistas will stop defending this inept clown and his underlings like the utterly "incredible" Jim Ryan.


How long have we been hearing/listening to this? I'm with you on the major gaffs, hefty bills, unaccounted for spending, piss poor governance and even the torture. (Though it's the Million Tiny Cuts rather than drip, drip)

But it's always been next week, the next cupla/several months... There was a distinct air in the last election that the stink doesn't stick to Tony. Despite a pattern of binge/purge/binge, voters refused to see it as political bulemia.

The Feds this and the glorified FOIAs that. The agenda never altered, the terraforming has continued and doesn't Madison street look mah-velous.

I don't see a binding agent that will pull this meal together. What am I missing besides wishful thinking?

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The stink is coming imminently, and it's going to stick, Watcher. A very detailed, very damning stink. Not next week, and it won't end anytime soon.
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Imminent stink, as promised.
 
http://forestparkreview.1upprelaunch.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=38&ArticleID=3161&TM=48069.54
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Originally posted by Mr. D Mr. D wrote:

Imminent stink, as promised.
 
http://forestparkreview.1upprelaunch.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=38&ArticleID=3161&TM=48069.54
quick fix, mr. d.
web extra: judge rules on harder hearing
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mr. d, if you know, could you put this ruling in perspective?
many of us who weren't around at the beginning of the harder issues, have only picked up bits & pieces. and plenty of he said/she said.
 
and, what is the next step in this saga?
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The next most likely step will be that the village will have to re-hire Dan Harder.  That will make him the senior Sergent on the Forest Park police department.   How ironic.
 
Best of all, the village will probably have to cough up about 2-1/2 years of back pay & benefits which were wrongfully taken from him because of the poor judgment & random decisions made based on retaliation & politics rather than evidence & testimony by Amy Rita & Brad Zanstra.  That could be as large an amount as $200,000 ++.
 
You can bet that the decision handed down by the panel of Administrative judges that reviewed this farce of a F & P hearing & the decisions made during it are also a pre-cursor to the decision that will inevitably be made by a Federal judge when it comes time to hear Dan's Federal lawsuit.   I'd say Dan added yet another couple of zero's to the inevitable settlement. 
 
I spent the last year & a half of my tenure on the village council voting against funding this train wreck & pleading with the other members to put a stop to what was obviously a biased & flawed hearing.  The vote was always 4-1 to "Keep It Going".  The costs of this retaliation against Dan are going to be enormous to the village.  When I stopped counting attorney bills paid to perpetuate the Harder termination hearing, the cost had already exceeded $200,000.00.  That makes this a half million dollar mistake.   
 
I hope the Mayor started a passbook savings account to save up for this inevitable rainy day. 
 
When will Tony, Mark, Rory, Mike & Marty finally see what has been obvious for years?  Jim Ryan needs to either resign or be fired.  How much more will this man be allowed to cost us? 


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I just hope the town doesn't end up going belly up.  How much more stupid stuff and spending can we take?

Hellooooooo anyone awake or alive or have a functioning brain on the village council?
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Couldn't have said it any better, Patrick, except to add that Calderone won't call for Ryan to resign until he's reached his five years in August and is eligible for a pension as Chief- to add to his cop's pension.
 
Calderone wants to keep Ryan on his side, and he can't do that by putting the villag'e interests ahead of protecting Ryan's pension.
 
It's up to the three newer trustees to force a decision of Calderone and Hosty, who have been dragged kicking and screaming- and in full denila-- about the depth of problems o the force.
 
The federal court all but called Jim Ryan a liar, and was stunned by his lack of administrative acumen. But then, Calderone didn't bring Ryan in for his administrative skills, did he?
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Originally posted by Mr. D Mr. D wrote:

Imminent stink, as promised.

Stink?


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Not trying to be obtuse, but don't see this as tainting the mayor.

Poor leadership and decision making, but nothing that will save us from three more years worse than "Keep it Going"; treading water and bailing.

Despite the ruling, I don't see Harder's re-instatement happening. If it did, how long before the hostile workplace lawsuit? Oh boy, another quagmire.

The ruling upheld the legality of the persecution and remanded it back to the board regarding discipline. Thanks? How does that help US?

This won't go away quietly or cheaply. His Smarminess remains in charge.





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The ruling is to remand to the F&P Comm. for discipline "short of discharge." So he will be re-instated. Court called the termination "arbitrary and unreasonable."
 
Ryan needs to go. He's been shown to be an incompetent and ethically questionable.
 
I still say the stink applies to Calderone, as Police Commissioner, but you're right that he may not suffer any consequences. That will depend whether the three commissioners besides Hosty have an stones.
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Originally posted by Mr. D Mr. D wrote:

The ruling is to remand to the F&P Comm. for discipline "short of discharge." So he will be re-instated. Court called the termination "arbitrary and unreasonable."

Ryan needs to go. He's been shown to be an incompetent and ethically questionable.

I still say the stink applies to Calderone, as Police Commissioner, but you're right that he may not suffer any consequences. That will depend whether the three commissioners besides Hosty have an stones.


Short of discharge means he'll be allowed to retire without returning to duty. That's the ONLY way that would not do more harm than good regardless of the ruling. A settlement. The first of many that will follow with Harder's situation.

Ryan will go once his pension is locked and loaded. He's young enough to line up yet another pension.

Which leaves us where? MATC selecting yet another chief and riding his 51% support until the next election. LIS, Thanks.

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Watcher said, "Short of discharge means he'll be allowed to retire without returning to duty."
 
?I have to agree with Watcher. Why would we want this character?
 

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2000          Exceptional Performance:  Additional departmental productivity.

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2000          Crime Stoppers Public Service Award:  Development and implementation of Peer Jury program.

 

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Yeah, but c'mon, Somebody, just how many obnoxious homeless people did he scare off our streets? Huh?

Well thought out policing strategies, management techniques and even personal valor are all well and good. But really, intimidating homeless people is Job One, pal.

And, if ten or fifteen years down that road we end up like Cicero, well, in the immortal and intellectually challenged words of lil' MAC, at least we tried.
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This Harder guy has done so much for the Forest Park Police Department that I cannot believe he is not the chief!  I also cannot believe that this is the kind of "riff raff"  that the Ryan and the mayor  FIRED!  God forbid that somebody actually does good for this village and not suffer for it!
Did any one see in the ruling that stated (referring to Ryan) "we find such testimony suspicious at the very least" daunting?  Where is the investigation into Ryan and Caldarone.  They are a disgrace, unethical and disgusting.  Three federal judges who have no stake in this matter came to the same conclusion.  This village would be lucky to be rid of Ryan and Caldarone and have one (if not ten) Harders working for the people of this village..because ultimately all of these people work for the people of this village.  Your tax dollars not only pay theor salaries but support their actions.  Ryan and Caldarone have wated your money.  Harder had no choice but to fight for his civil rights.  Prior to that he was spending wisely and looking out for the good of this village.  What has taken place has been a shame.  A man with no political ambitions has done more for the people of this village than the the people who protest to do this on a professional polical level.
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Who really cares if the presiding federal judges felt "compelled" to at least comment on the reweighing of evidence or credibility.  Does it really matter that the Senior presiding judges concluded that Chief Ryans testimony was suspicious in the least, or that their federal court would have come to a different conclusion.  These federal judges act as if they are know it alls and are better than the board president Amy Rita.  C'mon, she's every bit as qualified as federal judges who have tried and decided case law for decades.  Afterall, she owns and manages THE POST and probably knows spell check much better that I do. 
 
Is it really all that important that these Federal Judges find it extremely improbable that Ryan was unaware of the history in the police department and why there was even a job opening for him after King Pope abruptly resigned.  It amazes me that these Federal judges have nothing else better to do that they "wish they could re-evaluate that determination".  Do these Judges even know the true meaning of arbitrary and unreasonable?  Amy Rita is probably familiar with words like arbitrary, unreasonable, preponderance of evidence.
 
Let's get back to the good old days when Forest Park was a fun place to be, live, and work.  Let's get back to the beer fests when sexual harassment was cool and got you promoted for lifting the ladies shirts.  Let's get back to street justice when the cops arent just the cops anymore.  Give the rogue cops back their extras when it was "in" to be the judge, jury, and the executioner, you know, a good old fashion Forest Park dial a beating 911.   It's a shame that Patrick Fitzgerald wasn't a campaign donor of Calderone's.  Maybe a favor could be called in to bring Murphy back.  And for the many good, honest, ethical cops in Forest Park,  stay on the bottem of the totem pole where you belong, give up these qualities and get off your high horses, be a team player, you can donate on line to Team Calderone. 


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Nice try, Somebody. But anybody paying attention to that list can see that Harder apparently did NOTHING of note in 1991.
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I said it a few times, he should not have been fired.  Does the FPC have the prerogative to give out less punishment than what is asked for? 
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Originally posted by BBones BBones wrote:

I said it a few times, he should not have been fired. Does the FPC have the prerogative to give out less punishment than what is asked for?


You gave your proxy for his firing but express no regret for its misuse.
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Originally posted by Mr. D Mr. D wrote:

Nice try, Somebody. But anybody paying attention to that list can see that Harder apparently did NOTHING of note in 1991.


OMG! One year without something notable and you almost make it sound like the discharge was justified. I get it. You're angling for a position on the Fire & Police Commission.
Let's hope the people who give out Pulitzer Prizes don't have the same keen eye for a 1 year lapse in a resumé as you do.


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