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    Posted: 19/July/2010 at 2:15pm
I'd been meaning to drag CrazyDogLady's posts over here for further discussion...
Originally posted by Crazydoglady Crazydoglady wrote:


My husband and I don't think we want to raise kids here and that's unfortunate!

and

I'm only 27 and we're just approaching out two year wedding anniversary so kids aren't in the cards yet but schools and education are a major concern. Private school tuition is not an option for us. It's a bummer because we really like it here. We've lived here just over 2 years. Why do the schools have a largely negative reputation? My husband is Latino and I'm white so we definitely embrace diversity but we just get a really bad feeling about the public schools the more we talk to people. I don't mean to get off topic here.


I wish the Post article by Katherine Valleau was linkable. I hope everybody reads it.

Maybe it was Crazydoglady who Ms. Valleau spoke with in her driveway?
Probably not though, which means that the wider perception, once again, is that FoPa Schools are not attractive to many people who profess to love living here.

The lack of discussion of this beyond the driveways, back fences among these "lovers of FoPa" is disturbing.

Schools and education have become the pornography of the 21st Century. Nobody knows what it is, but everybody "knows" it when they see it.

The crops planted by 1983s "A Nation at Risk" are coming into full bloom.

Our schools are what we make them. Our village is too. We define it. If we don't we leave others to do so.



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Used to be that at least the Forest Park grammar schools were regarded as decent. What happened? The demographics of the village change that much in the past ten years or so?
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Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

   What happened?    


Trickle down happened. The siege on public education happened. Fear and loathing happened. "Schools" were successfully re-defined as the source of every problem in society.

Public schools were painted as good enough for them, but not us.




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Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

   What happened?    


This happened. A topic started about the schools and a seamstress thread gets more action?

1000 kids attend FoPa schools. 99.9% of them learn, grow and thrive. The .1% are given help and resources. 1000 kids out of how many in town?? Where do the rest go? Who knows? Who cares?

We have a mobility problem that stems from ignorant statements that our schools have slipped and aren't suitable anymore. It becomes self-fulfilling. There's a serious information gap that's being filled by fear and unchallenged disinformation.

Failure to address the repellent high school has never set well with anyone. Being shackled to a 100+ year-old bad marriage breeds resentment. Dual districts are not the norm, so when people move here, they assume both high school and elementary are run and controlled by a single authority.

Having a separate elementary district was adequate to sustain the village until all of the focus on high-stakes testing made individual districts follow whims and trends like lemmings. Test results are always in arrears so even the rainbows being chased are outdated and inaccurate. The class that posts the stellar test scores has already moved on. The next class might not be as astute, so scores appear to tank; setting off another panic.

Ticking off a list of hot education trends should be enough evidence that the "experts" are pretty much clueless.

but other than that, everything's peachy.





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Precisely, Watcher.  I think and hope that I am one of many who believe that opting into the system instead of out will offer mutual benefit.  That plus better funding not based on property values should make things better.

Plus I would never send a child to private schools - especially religious - where teachers are paid a lower wage than public teachers so that the organization can pay lobbyists to pass laws I abhor. 
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2009 % of students who meet or exceed state goals                
               School      District State
2007-2008      72.7%      73.9%      74.8%
2008-2009      71.8%      73.8%      75.5%

"This school has been identified for school improvement for the sixth year in a row."

Sun times Middle School report card

Watcher, if what you say is true, then why the downturn in results? Where is it better?

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Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

2009 % of students who meet or exceed state goals                
               School       District State
2007-2008      72.7%      73.9%      74.8%
2008-2009      71.8%      73.8%      75.5%

"This school has been identified for school improvement for the sixth year in a row."

Sun times Middle School report card

Watcher, if what you say is true, then why the downturn in results? Where is it better?


They are Spinal Tap numbers.

Margin for errors, omissions and intagibles ±15%. Tweaking by testing engineers ± 10%... Figures lie and liars figure. The point of the exercise is NOT to measure education or intelligence or anything real for that matter. The exercise is designed to fail. The whole point of putting up a scoreboard is to undermine public education so it can be justifiably underfunded and ignored.

You do understand that the students tested in 2007 are NOT the same students tested in 2008 right? won't be the same in 2009, 10, 11?
Won't be the same test either. Not quite apples and oranges, but not an accurate reflection of teaching or learning. The teachers, parents and kids all know who the smart kids are and who the not so smart kids are. I'm sure you remember kids who never cracked a book who aced tests and kids who either didn't seem to care or just didn't get it.

And what is it exactly that we're teaching these kids to be? Whenever kids attain whatever arbitrary bar is set, the bar gets moved. Training to enter the workforce? What workforce is that? PhD's driving cabs?
The plain fact is that workers have been rendered as unnecessary as possible. Do you really think the workers who are doing the outsourced jobs of the last 40 years have a college degree?

The near-complete gutting of American labor for fun and profit, just like the siege on "education" has been totally addled, short-term ploys to enrich a specific class.

What should be national security issue #1 is a semi-content, productive labor force because failing that, you've all but assured violence taking over.


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I don't know what the hell you're talking about but education still matters in corporate America where I reside.
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To quote Watcher:  "The near-complete gutting of American labor for fun and profit, just like the siege on "education" has been totally addled, short-term ploys to enrich a specific class.
What should be national security issue #1 is a semi-content, productive labor force because failing that, you've all but assured violence taking over. "

Oh that's where this discussion is going.  In that case I have my zombie survival guide.  You can't prevent businesses from moving but you can hold them to world wide standards.  Get behind that movement and learn how to sell it.  I surely don't know how. 
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Originally posted by Number6 Number6 wrote:


Oh that's where this discussion is going.  In that case I have my zombie survival guide.  You can't prevent businesses from moving but you can hold them to world wide standards.  Get behind that movement and learn how to sell it.  I surely don't know how. 


That's one direction. Broader-brush wise. Because knowing what is driving the market is vital to know. The other vital things to know are your own child(ren) and your role as their advocate.

Also broader is this perception that our local schools are sub-par. Their potential ranks are being thinned, or creamed, by that perception. One school of education reform has suggested that cohort building via community building is a good approach. Holding the cohort together through the increasingly rigorous "standards testing" has shown to be very beneficial to all levels of achievers. It also strengthens the sense of place and drives the group to support and encourage each other leading to lasting relationships and a better ability to deal with challenges.

I'm no expert, but even I can see that one or two items in a local paper does not counter the daily bashing our schools are taking in our driveways, parks and public spaces.

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Originally posted by watcher watcher wrote:

Originally posted by Number6 Number6 wrote:


Oh that's where this discussion is going.  In that case I have my zombie survival guide.  You can't prevent businesses from moving but you can hold them to world wide standards.  Get behind that movement and learn how to sell it.  I surely don't know how. 


I'm no expert, but even I can see that one or two items in a local paper does not counter the daily bashing our schools are taking in our driveways, parks and public spaces.
yeah, probably more useful to stay local on this issue.
as far as i can tell, the bad rap is steeped in otherness/race. and before y'all jump on me, please, please, please:
1) we are not alone w/this issue and very real problem. i am not a denier.
2) we (FP) has had not a drop/drip of leadership on this larger issue, therefore
3) we (FPers) are steeped in fear and squeeling as we have been taught nothing else.
 
thought: maybe cavallo sort of did leadership w/the re-org, but i think i have issues w/his process.
way too many folks i've talked to did not feel heard. HEARD. ACKNOWLEDGED. FEELINGS.
this stuff is really hard but we haven't even tried.
next.
 
 


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Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

yeah, probably more useful to stay local on this issue.
as far as i can tell, the bad rap is steeped in otherness/race. and before y'all jump on me, please, please, please:
1) we are not alone w/this issue and very real problem. i am not a denier.
2) we (FP) has had not a drop/drip of leadership on this larger issue, therefore
3) we (FPers) are steeped in fear and squeeling as we have been taught nothing else.

thought: maybe cavallo sort of did leadership w/the re-org, but i think i have issues w/his process.
way too many folks i've talked to did not feel heard. HEARD. ACKNOWLEDGED. FEELINGS.
this stuff is really hard but we haven't even tried.
next.


Working with 10 year old census data is a huge disadvantage. By the time the 2010 Census is presented it will be 2012, (at least for the data breakout that's needed.) It certainly makes it hard to get ahead of anything.

I was hopeful that the reorg to grade centers would mark a more inclusive and communicative district. At least that was promised in the process. But I've seen little to indicate that has been done.

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we don't know reach-out and communication in these parts.
I think that's why ms. valleau's passionate and informed piece was so effective.
the fence, the driveway...........a variation on the very tired and very olde, 'call me' MO.
has there ever been a forum whiere folks had to support and defend their positions?

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i can recall only two big-issue 'workshops' in FP in nine years:

1) the grade school re-org
2) this year's zoning re-org
3) the homes for parking brouhaha - but that was a public mtg where the citizens brought their pitchforks, not an invitation per se.
 
the first two incorporated minimalist dialogue. perhaps y'all can remember/point to others i've missed.
our paternal, 'i'll take care of it' culture leaves the residents infantile and fractured. i see this a as a fundamental town-breaker
 
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Just curious... do any of you posting on this thread have children in either of the FP elementary schools?

Have any of you had any conversations regarding your own childs education with the superintendent, a school board official, principal or teacher?

Have any of you spoken with anyone currently enrolled in these schools? Or anyone who pulled their child out/or are planning on it this next year.

I liked the quote
"Our schools are what we make them. Our village is too. We define it. If we don't we leave others to do so."

Unfortunately they educators here made it clear that we have little or even no voice in our childrens education. It wasn't that we left others to do so - we are were given no choice.

Also... what happened with the last school board president (Garlisch?) It looks like he's no longer president, and someone said he moved. I remember the meeting where he denied that he had any plans of moving, and that he was totally committed to the FP schools and this "rumor" did not conflict with his voting.
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Originally posted by ET MOM ET MOM wrote:

Just curious... do any of you posting on this thread have children in either of the FP elementary schools?

Have any of you had any conversations regarding your own childs education with the superintendent, a school board official, principal or teacher?

Have any of you spoken with anyone currently enrolled in these schools? Or anyone who pulled their child out/or are planning on it this next year.

I liked the quote
"Our schools are what we make them. Our village is too. We define it. If we don't we leave others to do so."

Unfortunately they educators here made it clear that we have little or even no voice in our childrens education. It wasn't that we left others to do so - we are were given no choice.

Also... what happened with the last school board president (Garlisch?) It looks like he's no longer president, and someone said he moved. I remember the meeting where he denied that he had any plans of moving, and that he was totally committed to the FP schools and this "rumor" did not conflict with his voting.


I no longer have children in Dist 91. Two college grads.

I speak with teachers regularly, almost daily.
I haven't spoken to anyone who's planning to pull their kids. I have talked to a few who hope to be elsewhere when their kids are school age.

I agree that the Garlisch exit looked bad. But agreed that the benefits of grade centers, properly implemented, would help our all of our students and schools.

What I'd like to know now is whether grade centers did cause the exodus portended by opponents of the plan? If so, how many students and what has been done/what is the plan to FIX things going forward? Where is the better communication that was promised?

The district has had a year of grade centers. Where is the report card?
What worked? What didn't? How much did it cost? How much has it saved?

How are the perceptions of CDL and others being addressed? FoPa is practiced at not talking about 209, decades of practiced. Has that made it easier to write off the elementary school difficulties?

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@et mom.
my kids are older and, for the most part, attended OP schools.
i've talked to two mothers who pulled their kids out of FP w/the re-org. their explanation was they didn't want their children in a school/classroom w/lower class black kids. what ratio is acceptable, hard to say.
 
the issue is tough as nails and i hold the admin responsible for a lack of substantial dialogue and, i'm guessing, usable scenarios, data, successful examples, etc.
good chance the four 'workshops' and/or one year was NOT enough time to sort this out.
 
otoh, i think the change was probably best for the town and all students.
 
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@et mom.
No kids in the schools or any where else.

All I can see is what I see on my way to work in the morning of the kids going to school. Don't seem to see any white kids going any more. Have the demographics of FP changed that much or are all the homeowners empty nesters or parents of real small or past the age of school age; leaving the apartment dwellers as the contributors to the school system (hence the low income quotient on the report cards)?

I see the school buses in the morning, virtually empty....maybe one kid in it (seems like a huge waste). Maybe I'm going to early (7:30) and all the white kids come out later for school?

I hope this new program is working; it would certainly help if people could at least trust to send their kids to the grammar schools here!!!
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Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

@et mom.
No kids in the schools or any where else.

All I can see is what I see on my way to work in the morning of the kids going to school. Don't seem to see any white kids going any more. Have the demographics of FP changed that much or are all the homeowners empty nesters or parents of real small or past the age of school age; leaving the apartment dwellers as the contributors to the school system (hence the low income quotient on the report cards)?

I see the school buses in the morning, virtually empty....maybe one kid in it (seems like a huge waste). Maybe I'm going to early (7:30) and all the white kids come out later for school?

I hope this new program is working; it would certainly help if people could at least trust to send their kids to the grammar schools here!!!


In the movie "Sneakers" there is a great exchange between the Robert Redford character Martin Bishop and Ben Kingsley's, Cosmo.

Cosmo: Posit: People think a bank might be financially shaky.
Martin Bishop: Consequence: People start to withdraw their money.
Cosmo: Result: Pretty soon it is financially shaky.
Martin Bishop: Conclusion: You can make banks fail.
Cosmo: Bzzt. I've already done that. Maybe you've heard about a few? Think bigger.
Martin Bishop: Stock market?
Cosmo: Yes.
Martin Bishop: Currency market?
Cosmo: Yes.
Martin Bishop: Commodities market?
Cosmo: Yes.
Martin Bishop: Small countries?


In the last census, Proviso Township was 65% white. District 209 was 90% minority.

The question to ask is who wins, who loses when public schools are undermined?







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Another question to ask... Who is undermining the FP elementary school?

Can it really be the parents and residents. Those people who filled Garfield's gym, begging for more time. Who sent out surveys and petitions, wrote letters and joined committees and spent their own time researching alternate solutions. All to be ignored, ridiculed and dismissed. Can you really find fault with them for leaving the district?

The administrators and government did what they wanted without regard for many. They used some very underhanded means to get what they wanted.
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Originally posted by ET MOM ET MOM wrote:

Another question to ask... Who is undermining the FP elementary school?

Can it really be the parents and residents. Those people who filled Garfield's gym, begging for more time. Who sent out surveys and petitions, wrote letters and joined committees and spent their own time researching alternate solutions. All to be ignored, ridiculed and dismissed. Can you really find fault with them for leaving the district?

The administrators and government did what they wanted without regard for many. They used some very underhanded means to get what they wanted.


I'd be more apt to agree whole-heartedly if the 209 thing wasn't already well established... and if this wasn't coming from couples just starting or thinking about starting their families... or if it were an acute FoPa phenomena or if more people didn't "get their news from ABC news than any other source".

"The grass is greener" has always been around.

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watcher, please be more direct. academic theory/policy and national blahblah is not the foremost issue.
why are local folks dissing our elementary/middle schools? why is the diss not roundly and energetically refudiated? WHO gains?
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watcher, please be more direct. academic theory/policy and national blahblah is not the foremost issue.
why are local folks dissing our elementary/middle schools? why is the diss not roundly and energetically refudiated? WHO gains?


refudiated? Channeling Sarah?

It's the obscure, shifting academic theory/policy and national blahblah that has driven the infection that has eroded support and belief in public education. Our previous excursions into the subject here are living proof.

Defending public education? How do you do that? They keep moving the goalposts. The demonization of unions, especially teachers unions has been a very successful campaign. The elevation of Charter Schools, as some kind of ideal way to counter the union, ignores the evidence that their failure rates mirror that of the public's. Parochial and secular for-profit private schools just jettison students who don't "fit".

I don't know how much more direct I can be. The 100some students who comprise each year's grade level are all potentially awesome and potentially disappointing. Daily "Best in Show" contests seem a silly way to educate.

The dissing? Unhappy parents are LOUDer than happy ones?



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Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

@et mom.
No kids in the schools or any where else.

All I can see is what I see on my way to work in the morning of the kids going to school. Don't seem to see any white kids going any more. Have the demographics of FP changed that much or are all the homeowners empty nesters or parents of real small or past the age of school age; leaving the apartment dwellers as the contributors to the school system (hence the low income quotient on the report cards)?

I see the school buses in the morning, virtually empty....maybe one kid in it (seems like a huge waste). Maybe I'm going to early (7:30) and all the white kids come out later for school?

I hope this new program is working; it would certainly help if people could at least trust to send their kids to the grammar schools here!!!


Pie, you are obviously not a parent,,,,,, we live in a melting pot of cultures,,, there are alot of white, black, mexican, indian, etc..... why must you see white? I am white, I was born and raised in Forest Park and raised my White children here.... they walked to school everyday, they are all happy, healthy and educated.   Have you ever been in one of our schools? Have you ever been to a board meeting?   Thats what I though. You can't just walk around town snapping pic's and talking smack. If you really want to know what is going on if you really care..... attend a meeting...stroll through the schools,,, talk to the administration and the teachers. Yes there are problems like in any other town even RIVER FOREST.... Where would you be living if you had children and why?

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Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

@et mom.
No kids in the schools or any where else.

I hope this new program is working; it would certainly help if people could at least trust to send their kids to the grammar schools here!!!


Pie, you are obviously not a parent,,stroll through the schools,,, talk to the administration and the teachers. Yes there are problems like in any other town even RIVER FOREST.... Where would you be living if you had children and why?


Pie,
Perhaps if you didn't make ominous statements like "Don't seem to see any white kids going anymore"???

Justa,
Are the teachers, administrators aware of the repellent perception our schools have in the wider community? Are they resigned to it? If not, what sort of outreach is in place, or planned, to counter the negative perceptions?

FoPa has a long history of dealing with the "circling the drain" rhetoric. In the past the response was frank, open, consistent and immediate. More recently, there hasn't been much pushback at all. Is this a strategy? How does that work?

If it's not about race, then how do you reconcile the enrollments?







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justa, I know FP is a melting pot but shouldn't I notice at least a few token white kids in the mix? Why must I see white? Why not, unless FP doesn't have any whites left? Just curious where they all are or if the ones with school aged kids have all left. Your kids are all out of the system then Justa? I think the system has changed in the past 10 years, heck 5 years.

Where would I live if I had kids? Not an option I ever wanted or even considered.
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Originally posted by watcher watcher wrote:

Are the teachers, administrators aware of the repellent perception our schools have in the wider community? Are they resigned to it? If not, what sort of outreach is in place, or planned, to counter the negative perceptions?
remember, no kids in the system:
when i moved here 10 years ago i 'heard' the schools were poor to midlin.
five years ago 'heard' they were good, very good. now i 'hear' poor to midlin.
 
at the least, the district could use an informed cheerleader and a much better website. i'm not sure how else to keep residents/attract newcomers unless your scores are sterling, which they won't be in a melting pot.

 
FoPa has a long history of dealing with the "circling the drain" rhetoric. In the past the response was frank, open, consistent and immediate.
really?!? evidence please. (i'm holding my LOLs)
 
More recently, there hasn't been much pushback at all. Is this a strategy? How does that work? If it's not about race, then how do you reconcile the enrollments?
 
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I am one of those who was against the grade level centers. Not so much in theory, really, I just felt it was happening too quickly.
As a parent who did a TON of research regarding grade level centers, I found the data on both sides to be subjective at best. While some data suggests that GLC's promote better communication among teachers, leading to increased performance by students, there are also other studies that suggest that students who are involved in the change typically lose some ground in their test scores, needing a full year to rebound to their current levels.
 I also had reservations about the boards plan for bussing. Not only did it add 45-60 minutes to my daughter's day, but attendance would not be taken and checked against a called in absence for at least 60-90 minutes. I like knowing that if she's not in school, I would know about it a lot sooner. Also, as far as Pie seeing almost empty busses, I believe that is for the students who live on the south side, but whose "home" school was on the north side. The students were allowed to continue with the students they had always gone to school with and that needed an additional route or two, something not on the boards bussing presentation.
As far as the racial issues go, that in and of itself was not an issue to me. We have met and become friends with many black families. The issues we had were more in regards to the transient nature of the students at the "other" school. Our concern after comparing the test scores and the % of transient families, was that the schools would be forced to teach to the lowest common denominator in order to have these students be able to keep up.
We did not believe that the board addressed all these issues as thoroughly as we would have liked, therefore we chose to send our daughter to a private school. I personally know of 8 families from Garfield (a total of 11 students), who made that same choice. Oh wait, I forgot to include the esteemed Mr. Garlisch and his three kids!
I really do hope that the GLC's succeed, I just felt at this time, it was not the right choice for us.
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thanks, harp. appreciate hearing from the folks who've been involved.
 
not sure transient is the right word, tho. army brats, corporate transfer kids - some communities have lots - of coming and going.
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Citizen,
What would be a better word? I will look at the school report cards again, but when we were researching this choice, there was a much larger student turnover at Grant White than at Garfield. My assumption is just because of a higher level of high rise apartments in that area. People just don't tend to put down roots that run as deep.
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