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    Posted: 16/April/2015 at 10:21am
Now that the election is over and while there is a brief window of "mending fences" being mentioned, I'd like to suggest that these forums offer a potential salve for our splintered condition.

Despite the clutter,debris,idle banter,emotional outbursts and seagull poop, there's a wealth of ideas, suggestions, identified problems and potential solutions by almost 200 of our 290 members. The forums are searchable. The topics are spelled out. The information is readily accessible by anyone willing to look.

I've come to expect being dismissed and marginalized. The near constant wail that this place is nothing but malcontents and anti-Calderone just fails for anyone who looks at the serious discussions that have occurred here over the years.

I'll readily agree that the place is messy, but so is democracy. Past clean-up efforts were often attacked and mis-characterized as "censorship", so it seemed better to let all but the truly toxic posts and topics run their course, intact, for future reference.

Overall, the presented thoughts and ideas, on some major nagging issues, are here and intact. There are also back-up versions as well going back further. I can't think of any reasonable excuse not to consider this place as a valuable resource for anybody who truly wants to turn over a new leaf.

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Sounds good but the Calderone contingent has demonized this forum for so long, all his followers believe him.
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Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

Sounds good but the Calderone contingent has demonized this forum for so long, all his followers believe him.


Fence mending is a two-way street. MATC's looking to build a bridge?
Why build when this one's already built?

Mine it for suggestions, ideas, different approaches... He can even claim them as his own!

Your post doesn't read very post-mendy!<g>






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Have you seen Mr. Calderone's posts about Sharon Daly's opinion piece in this week's Review. He sure doesn't sound very post-mendy! I don't believe he is sincere.
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Oh, pie, neither do FP's own B&J:)
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Pie, it's because his claims are not true, the first chance he got he was on the attack along with his chief attack dog David Webb. Watcher, the mayors opinion of FPF is well documented, like his opinion of the Review, it will not change.
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Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

Oh, pie, neither do FP's own B&J:)


But logic, as the Mayor, he should aspire and inspire by starting the fence mending. Of course, he doesn't. He just continues the same way he has for years.
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Choosing Aftanas as opposed to a connected outsider is a good start.
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But as I believe Bill Dwyer pointed out after the mayor said this: "That will definitely be my recommendation. If they want to conduct a search then, we will. But I believe in promoting from within.", this will be the first in many many years that is being promoted from within. Recall when he pushed Joe Byrnes to the wayside........???
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Yes, doesn't seem Byrnes has made out too badly:) Could it be the Mayor is learning to make different or better choices for FP?

Don't remember Mr Harris supporting Aftanas, believe the actual comment was he would be "part of the discussion". Which Bill and Jerry were quick to jump-on, interpret as Aftanas has the full support of Harris. When, especially after the Byrnes "offer" went public, we knew wasn't true.



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I was just pointing out how the Mayor talks out both sides of his mouth and counts on an audience with a very short memory.
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As proven by this election, FPers have a long memory and they're watching.
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Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

As proven by this election, FPers have a long memory and they're watching.


As much as I'd like to believe this, this village election proved very little, changed even less. We're still in "Wait and see" mode. What's the plan? Have you seen it? Did anything in the "Progress" campaign point to something other than more of the same?




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Re: the title post.
to me, FPF is the standard bearer for village life under the dubious reign of tony calderone. 20 years.
he just doesn't get democracy and works w/a 'family' model of authority instead. and, no, he's not going to change.

the rejuvination of FPF and the village will probably depend on the new generation, our young families, now spreading their wings and making tsumami waves in our schools, and god love 'em. 
they seem to like Facebook, which i think is fairly worthless for any sustained discussion or organization, but...

i think it's too soon to tell, but FPF is without doubt the superior product, including the Review's FB app thingy. you can't search a damn thing. FB is like keeping history on toilet paper and i only mean that in the flowey sense - like a puppy discovering the joys of unrolling - it has no permanence? 
altho i would never ignore the Review site - newspapers are essential.

i think the kids are going to be very busy w/D209 and that's where their passion is located. Jean Lotus is focusing on the greater West Cook crooks, Dwyer might split between FP and Proviso? and truth be told, if/when D209 gets better, so will FP. it's just gonna take longer than us :)

too soon to tell, but someone has to keep an eye on VH the next four years - the Review can't do it alone. 
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citizen, if there are no sweeping changes within the next 4 yrs but you could pick 1 or 2 important issues (other than the schools) that would make a significant difference in your investment in FP, what would they be?
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Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

citizen, if there are no sweeping changes within the next 4 yrs but you could pick 1 or 2 important issues (other than the schools) that would make a significant difference in your investment in FP, what would they be?


building and zoning that fits our reality. Focus on quality rather than technicality.

tapping the vast resources embodied in (all) our residents, building a model for community involvement, problem solving and cost reduction.
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yep. but in reverse order.

FP simply cannot solve modern problems w/only one POV, which is not a modern nor particularly informed POV. 
all our commish must be empowered for our odd commish form to work, and our citizen commissions need new blood and authority.
we will see how the Diversity Committee pans out :) hard to imagine our 'diverse' housing not being an intrinsic issue here. i'll probably volunteer, and even stick with it if it's real. 

if we can get breathing room on flooding, D209 and  ^, solutions can present themselves fairly organically.
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Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:


FP simply cannot solve modern problems w/only one POV, which is not a modern nor particularly informed POV.
If 50% of the residents are viewed as uninformed throwbacks and the other half informed progressives, is there any room for balance? I know for many halfway will never be enough but for me, my perspective, that's where peace is made, sustainable goals accomplished.
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i don't think 1/2 the residents (or voters) are uninformed - we all want the same things. 
calderone has created a cult mentality, esp at VH, that hardly works well w/religion, much less governing. it's always and only all about him, which he conveniently equates w/FP. and, sad but true, cult leaders eventually go wacky.
 
even on election night he wondered why EVERYBODY didn't vote for him. what? 
and for the past week he's responding to residents' comments online - still attempting to demonstrate they are, at best, victims of wrong thinking. what?
he's still viewing disagreement and criticism as treason. what?

the next four years could be very strange. 
my opinion. 


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He still thinks anyone who doesn't agree with him is wrong, plain and simple. Oh yeah, and evil!
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Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

citizen, if there are no sweeping changes within the next 4 yrs but you could pick 1 or 2 important issues (other than the schools) that would make a significant difference in your investment in FP, what would they be?


Devolved a bit eh? What would Logic's 1 or 2 important issues be?
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Building and zoning, a workable, flexible plan which validates the investment of all stakeholders.

That concerned citizens not be relegated to an "enemies list". What's going on online at the Review website is definitely not amusing, it's ugly.

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Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

What's going on online at the Review website is definitely not amusing, it's ugly.



And what makes it ugly is the fact that the ugly posters are all FAKE personnas. So typically Calderone team tactics.
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Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

So typically Calderone team tactics.
Except, they make the Mayor look bad.
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Think the "attack dogs" need pop a Xanax, have a couple of drinks (oh,oh) and take a nap. A 4 yr nap:)
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Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

So typically Calderone team tactics.
Except, they make the Mayor look bad.

He needs to rein them in then!
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