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Originally posted by logic logic wrote:


Believe it or not, there are a few of us 60 somethings who never wanted to go to Woodstock:)


If it's alright with you, I'm going to move this conversation into its own space to continue...

I'd prefer to stay on the FPR comments clown car and Dan Haley's near total misreading of things. Moreso the impact his addled thinking has had.

Anyone can make a FB account. FB has no particular interest in limiting access, if anything the opposite is true. Social media's impact is mostly positive, but the downsides are very real too.

Dan picked FB verification because it was easy, not because it was a good or reliable way to fix the problems his comment section experiences.





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who the hell is Erik Shipsink/Lipsink/whoever?  
anyway, a couple of his darling Review posts were deleted(?) and i'm stuck out there talking to myself :)

btw, per Jean Lotus, the way to deal w/offensive posts (whatever that means) is to flag them. boom - a flag takes them down. not sure it works exactly that way since Jean left.
i'm slow, so i only took her advice about 5 weeks ago and finally, finally flagged an outrageously ad hominem LaLuna morning post.
i guess that's what happened to Shitsink's posts? Facebook and its cousins are so weird.
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Citizen, Eric was a fake, maybe Rita but I don't think so. I have flaged post and they stayed up so god knows what the policy is. Watcher is right facebook is the worst, any one can fake it.
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Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

btw, per Jean Lotus, the way to deal w/offensive posts (whatever that means) is to flag them. boom - a flag takes them down


Flagging, offensive or non-offensive, punts the post to the Review's social media decider, and as you say leaves the other comments flapping in the breeze.



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Originally posted by jerry jerry wrote:

Watcher is right facebook is the worst, any one can fake it.


It's NOT Facebook's fault, it's the FPR using FB as their unilateral screening process.
Facebook is not a "verification" service. It gets spoofed, hacked and spammed more than ANY other social media provider. Its security breaches and deficiencies are legendary.

The Review's goal should be to encourage relevant comments and wider discussion of the topic and to limit the multiple personality disorder trolls. If a commenter uses only one FB account, the name on that account doesn't really matter does it? A lot of the problems are very Forest Park specific. Check out the Landmark and Journal comments where the participants actually manage to stay on topic with nowhere near the seagull problem, with some fairly obvious pseudonyms.

It's only a real problem when somebody uses somebody else's name, or some clever play of an actual person whose name is recognizable. Right now the Review is out of its depth. They either need to get a much better "policy", or they need to shitcan the whole comment idea and switch to an email Letter to the Editor format in which every submission is screened and verified.

The third option is to keep everything as is. It works so well...











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i thought the FB verified along w/Dan's editorial was clear and doable. but i was an idiot.
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Logic, that would be if people followed the rules, which many do not. And it appears that the ones that keep abusing the policy on FPR are Calderone fans. That they have the balls to keep calling out others, is beyond reason.
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Watcher, I did not mean it was FB fault, I meant that there needs to be a better way. Looked at Mondays agenda, it appears that the village is replacing one of the parking patrol officers. I wonder if the Review will follow up on this story, I heard the officer was a little free with the use of his camera and was either let go or resigned. This was before the election and the village didn't what the story to get out.
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super-anonymity seems more important to folks - these days? i don't recall such vigilance on FPF, altho there were a few, and then there were the Calderone trolls, and then there was VH working to out regular posters. thanks, mike curry! 

what still floors me, after all these years and esp after the recent election, the Calderone Crew has never produced one supporter that can/will write at length or regularly w/their real name, e.g. LTE's, columnists, regular posters.  do they ALL work at VH???
and then they bitch/moan relentlessly that 'the other side' controls the media. please explain this to me :)
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I'm still looking for the "rule" that got me banned. There are more than a few that frequent commenters disregard with impunity.

"Flag `em all! Let Dan sort `em out?"

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well, yeah. amazing how many rules (all of em) were smashed to crap during the election season. 
besides all that, so?

this moderating thing is dicey and i haven't agreed w/your's or dan's decisions this election. 
guess i'm getting jaded but unless one makes this their full time job AND makes great efforts to articulate 'rules' (the latter NOBODY seems willing to do), it seems moderators are winging it and, fundamentally, banning folks who irritate the crap out of them. it's a judgement call. 
for instance, i thought Cathleen was, by light years! the most corrosive voice on our internets. dark and horrid - no redeeming features. nada.
what is porn, what is art, what is fair play, what is civil, what is offensive?

btw, do you think David Webb has been banned? or just re-grouping :)
 
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Cathleen the most corrosive? Half of what she posted was in self-defense. She was stalked by B&J, eventually they scared her off. That was the intent, wasn't it?

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I'm still looking for the "rule" that got me banned. There are more than a few that frequent commenters disregard with impunity.
It was that dumb name, ya should have chosen John Smith.

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btw, do you think David Webb has been banned? or just re-grouping :)
Think maybe the Mayor called him off? We'll see.
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Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

Cathleen the most corrosive? Half of what she posted was in self-defense. She was stalked by B&J, eventually they scared her off. That was the intent, wasn't it?
my point proven :)
it's in the eye of the reader/moderator and certainly not limited to what 'side' the poster takes. 


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Originally posted by watcher watcher wrote:


I'm still looking for the "rule" that got me banned. There are more than a few that frequent commenters disregard with impunity.
It was that dumb name, ya should have chosen John Smith.
funny.
it didn't blend w/the FB charade of characters. Dudley Simon. 
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i just edited my post (typo). what a joy!!! FB is just too weird.
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Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

Originally posted by watcher watcher wrote:


I'm still looking for the "rule" that got me banned. There are more than a few that frequent commenters disregard with impunity.
It was that dumb name, ya should have chosen John Smith.


FoPa Watcher? Dumb?

For the record, I created that FB account and used it exclusively on the Review. I did this AFTER somebody else began posting comments as "Watcher", deliberately, to confuse, disrupt and divert. That was long before the Review required FB verification.

Sadly, OOD (and his MPD brigade) along with Bill & Jerry cast the mold for the Review comments section from the beginning. Jumping on everything dragging it into the same old, same old. To the casual reader it surely didn't promote adding their own comments to get twisted or lost in the noise.

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OK, I'll play(wink,wink).

Was trying to figure out how Bill D got away with all the "LOOK HERES", guess it was technically not a hyperlink. From the terms of agreement ^, appears the unofficial contract was continually broken.

Used to think it was so much BS when the Mayor claimed bias with Review reporting. Paid a little closer attention this time around. It's hard to defend

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and the mayor, too:)

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No doubt about it, Bill and I were the bad boys that kept people from posting comments. So what is the reason now? Logic, it is hard to defend the mayor period but his thugs do it anyway.
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It's really very simple, jerry(?), it's one thing to defend, support one's candidate but a whole different ballgame when one it forced to constantly defend oneself. That's my personal POV and where I draw the line.

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and, jerry(?), did the thought ever occur to you, that YOUR antics, may have cost Mr Harris more than a few votes? Naw, probably not.
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Originally posted by jerry jerry wrote:

No doubt about it, Bill and I were the bad boys that kept people from posting comments. So what is the reason now? Logic, it is hard to defend the mayor period but his thugs do it anyway.


Bill made no secret that he enjoyed ripping into "opponents". Your comments weren't that, just sometimes difficult to read. My point is that the comment section became your sandbox instead of anything resembling a forum. "They started it@!"??? From "outside" it looks repetitive and petty. Election wise, it was very odd that the sides had "Champions" and the candidates didn't have to respond to, clarify or speak to anything except through published rebuttals.

The comment section rarely expands the available information nor clarifies the contents of the column, article, story... the rare occasions that offer promise are quickly derailed. If you don't recognize the bait, you'll always end up on the hook...

Before the expected "pot meet kettle", I'd ask that you review a few of this place's longer, meatier threads. You'll notice that I'm not usually a main combatant or participant. (unless 209 related or specifically called out)


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logic, I think my feelings about the dog park and the people who use it may have cost him some vote's what I commented on not so much. The thing is there are people out there that refuse to see what is clearly placed before them and say oh no the mayor wouldn't do that when he clearly did.
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watcher, I agree that my posts can be difficult to read, this is something I am not really good at.  I have read some of the meater subjects and quite frankly what I read scared the crap out of me.
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Originally posted by jerry jerry wrote:

logic, I think my feelings about the dog park and the people who use it may have cost him some vote's what I commented on not so much. The thing is there are people out there that refuse to see what is clearly placed before them and say oh no the mayor wouldn't do that when he clearly did.
jerry, your posts are not a particularly difficult read. IMAHO, it had nothing to do with the dog park, many posts lacked substance. Throughout this election, I viewed you and BD as a teammates but not in a positive way and certainly not always helpful to your candidate. Sure you have a different opinion, that's OK, but for me, I have no respect for ugly, sometimes dishonest, tactics.

Don't know what may have been going on on other related blogs, didn't even look, I stuck with the Review, FPF and info obtained from web searches.



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logic, If I am dishonest then I do not  see how you can support the mayor and his tactics 
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I've had enough election talk, how about you?
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Oh well then...

A topic about the FPR comment section's weird understanding of the internet, turns into a another discussion of people who comment there? I'm not sure how this helps further Dan's understanding that could lead to a more open, healthy platform for citizen involvement?

I guess I'm the only one who wonders if there's a better way.






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