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    Posted: 29/April/2015 at 1:21pm
Something David posted in the Review makes me want to ask. Are the council meeting tapes being edited by Mr Backman? Aren't the videos, in their entirety, still available on Comcast or the VH website? If so, what would be the point of editing them?
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Huh? The video posted by "David" was not a Backman video. It was from "The Doctors".

And perhaps Backman still tapes the vc meetings in case the vc decides they don't need no stinking recordings of their meetings. That way, he will have copies available.
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This is what I was referring to, pie.

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...Did your fellow board member Steve, have two cameras when he taped the VH meetings? Just wondering because of his selective use of posting certain video links to meetings that perhaps showed some contentious moments, never the lighter friendlier moments. What hat was he wearing when he posted links to his videos leading up to the election? was it his vox hat or john Q citizen one? Why didn't he just post all of his videos and let the voters decide? His selection seemed to lean in a certain direction, no? ;) Perhaps in a manner to change voter perception & help sway the election ??...
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Oh, I try not to put too much weight into anything "David" has to say. Just some Calderone smuck.

I would guess Backman was posting videos wearing his John Q citizen hat. That is his right, after all.
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I would guess you are right too becuase some of what he posted I taped. As for David he should sell what he is full of. Got that Davey Boy.
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Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

Something David posted in the Review makes me want to ask. Are the council meeting tapes being edited by Mr Backman? Aren't the videos, in their entirety, still available on Comcast or the VH website? If so, what would be the point of editing them?


There a a few council meetings missing from the village website. Technical difficulties? Whatever. The Vox collection is complete.

The clips Steve posts on YouTube are snippets of council meetings. By definition, that's editing. The dog poop video was edited to only show Hotsy's deposits.

DW's point seems to be that the non-partisan shot council videos are subsequently available for private citizen Backman to "manipulate". Vox offers the complete meeting video to the public for a nominal fee. (Time + materials?)
It's a stretch, but that's the case he's presenting. Unless Steve is paying Vox for the videos, he shouldn't be free to post his edited clips?
If Steve isn't paying; then the Vox videos aren't non-partisan?





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I believe Vox members can borrow the dvd's much like a library lends dvds.
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Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

I believe Vox members can borrow the dvd's much like a library lends dvds.


The point is that using MATC's own words against him through video clips is only done by those with hidden agendas and sinister intent. Letting people watch the Mayor doing his mayor thing without needing to endure the whole council meeting? Who does that?

Once the full recording is edited, it's tainted and should never be trusted.





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Don't think the complaint was editing, watcher, it was editing with bias.
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Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

Don't think the complaint was editing, watcher, it was editing with bias.


I don't think Steve has ever denied his personal biases, which are his by right and experience. He's said, only, that the Vox organization itself is non-partisan and, in fact, has gone to great lengths to maintain that position. Any perceived bias in Vox's ongoing work is the direct result of the mayor's withdrawal and outright refusal to "engage". That is where partisanship enters. MATC and his "party", for personal and partisan reasoning, refuse to participate or in any way even acknowledge Vox as a community organization. At every opportunity they seek to marginalize and discredit Vox, the Review and these forums.

They project their own pettiness onto groups that believe in community as a means of control. IMO, that's pretty sick and unhelpful.


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So it's a tiny version of the Arab/Israeli conflict in FP using verbal bombs and less than strategic tactics?

Remember watching an interview with Anwar Sadat yrs ago, being particularly touched when he talked about certain characteristics/virtues he saw in other people and strove to make those same virtues part of himself. He made some very difficult choices, which he felt were the right choices knowing it would probably cost him his political life and more.

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Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

So it's a tiny version of the Arab/Israeli conflict in FP using verbal bombs and less than strategic tactics?

Remember watching an interview with Anwar Sadat yrs ago, being particularly touched when he talked about certain characteristics/virtues he saw in other people and strove to make those same virtues part of himself. He made some very difficult choices, which he felt were the right choices knowing it would probably cost him his political life and more.


More apt perhaps is the Israeli/Palestine conflict?

As witnessed by his responses to Sharon @ the FPR and to Connie on the FB townhall, our mayor has completed his reflection on his slim win. He won!
The "enemies" list is intact and has room for as many names as it takes.
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Originally posted by watcher watcher wrote:


The "enemies" list is intact and has room for as many names as it takes.
Takes to what, watcher? Wouldn't that be a hollow victory.
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Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

Originally posted by watcher watcher wrote:


The "enemies" list is intact and has room for as many names as it takes.
Takes to what, watcher? Wouldn't that be a hollow victory.


Many, many people have asked that question over the years. Shall we (re)count the ways?
The ONLY one who can provide the needed answers refuses. Do you know MATC's "plan"? His "vision"? We just went through a campaign. Isn't that when such things are supposed to be spelled out for all to see?

Shouldn't our "leader" have some skills at communication? Something other than "I won! That make me right and everybody else wrong, eee-vil, despicable, uninformed, sinister, questionable..."

That's the only measurement that seems to concern our mayor.

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this is a bullshit issue as everything is edited/clipped for pertinence. 

otoh, the only vid that was altered is a classic: https://youtu.be/ftkAUihYN5w
and then there was Talking Shoes, but that was an accident :)  https://youtu.be/AWTl5crY0UQ

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@logic. iirc, Webb was moaning about a nasty but unaltered clip of mayoral bullying - Calderone on Curry. Webb wanted Backman to post some lighter moments of Tony Calderone :)

ya know, council recordings are available to anyone so if Webb wants to show voters Tony making a joke, freaking put it up! lazy whiner. 
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In all honesty, haven't witnessed a council meeting in a long time, life took us on a very different turn. I remember Mr Curry, think there were a few times while watching the council meetings on TV, wanted to beat him up myself:0 but only with one of those gimmicky huge pillow-like gavels, used more for getting one's attention than causing harm.

Dave Webb is free to view, post, critique, edit or splice n dice copies of all council recordings at will.

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For David to show clips from VC meetings he would have to contact VOX, you can not download the VC vidios. It's one of the reason I continue to record, that way there is a record that is available down the road. It is something that comes back to bite them in the ass. I wish Steve would have shown the clip where Hosty told Marty that a sidewalk was not needed from 16th ave to 22nd.
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Are the meetings still on Comcast? One could hook up a DVR or VCR or even a Betamax to record the meeting. I'm sure there's probably a way to record the online content. There might even be an app for that...

FoPa has no content whatsoever on Uverse community access.

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