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Topic: TIME FOR RYAN TO GO
Posted By: FP1907
Subject: TIME FOR RYAN TO GO
Date Posted: 25/October/2007 at 7:10pm
After reading this alert, all I can say is it's time for Chief Ryan to go NOW!  Since he's been here we've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal costs and settlements as a result of out of control officers.  Mayor Calderone suggests in the Review article below that residents should not look at the cumulative effect of all these circumstances.  I ask, how can you not? 

http://www.forestparkreview.com/">

Thursday, October 25, 2007

Police sergeant indicted by feds
Felony counts stem from 2003 arrest of suspected panhandler

By JOSH ADAMS

Thursday, October 25, 2007


Web Extra!
A Forest Park police sergeant was indicted on felony charges yesterday by a federal grand jury for allegedly using excessive force during a 2003 arrest. Further, the officer is accused of falsifying information in his report of the incident with the intent to "impede, obstruct and influence" the outcome of the case, according to federal records.

The charges against Sgt. Michael Murphy were handed down by the U.S. District Court in Chicago after the case was presented to a special grand jury convened in March. Both counts in the indictment stem from the Aug. 6, 2003, arrest of Sidney Hooks, during which Murphy is alleged to have used pepper spray and a baton. The indictment makes no mention of the reason for Hooks' arrest or the extent of his injuries, but a lawsuit filed by Hooks in 2004 offers a detailed accounting.

An indictment is not an indication of guilt or innocence, rather that a grand jury has found sufficient evidence to warrant a trial.

Court records filed with the Oct. 24 indictment reveal that Murphy remains free on $4,500 personal recognizance bail, pending his arraignment.

"He will be receiving a date for an arraignment and ordered to appear without being arrested or anything like that," A spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney's office, Randall Samborn, said.

If convicted, Murphy could be sentenced to 30 years in prison and ordered to pay $500,000 in fines.

Village officials confirmed their knowledge of the charges and released a brief written statement Wednesday through the police department.

"Sgt. Michael Murphy, a 17-year veteran of the Forest Park Police Department, has been indicted by the United States Justice Department. The indictment includes one count of obstruction of justice and one count involving a civil rights violation," the statement read. "The indictment was issued on Oct. 24, 2007, following an investigation conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Sgt. Murphy has been placed on paid administrative leave."

According to Hooks' civil complaint filed in February 2004, Murphy arrived at the tail end of a police response in which two officers were attempting to determine whether Hooks was panhandling. The two other officers responding to the call were satisfied that an arrest was not necessary and explained as much to Murphy, the suit contends.

After walking approximately half a block from the scene, Hooks was allegedly apprehended by Murphy, who was exiting his squad car with pepper spray in-hand. Hooks was allegedly sprayed in the face and then struck repeatedly with a baton, resulting in a broken wrist. After being kicked and handcuffed, Hooks was transported to the police station where Murphy "dragged Mr. Hooks approximately 20 feet," according to the suit.

Hooks was later taken to a nearby hospital where he was treated for his injuries.

"Mr. Hooks was falsely charged with resisting arrest and aggravated assault of a police officer," defense attorney Arthur Loevy said in his 12-page complaint. "The charges against Mr. Hooks were dropped by the prosecutor."

A copy of the 2003 arrest report was requested by the Review on Oct. 25 under the Freedom of Information Act. By law, the village has seven days to respond.

The attorney who handled the civil case for Hooks in 2004, Loevy, did not return a phone call Wednesday.

Hooks' lawsuit was ultimately settled out of court in June 2004.

Murphy's indictment can be added to a growing pile of personnel issues hanging a black cloud over the police department in recent years. Most notably, since 2002 the department has seen a sexual harassment suit, the firing of another sergeant and the resignation of a lieutenant. It was also revealed in August that a third sergeant in the department has ties to Antoin "Tony" Rezko, who was indicted by federal investigators on corruption charges 12 months ago.

Also in August, a patrol officer was accused of raping a Forest Park woman. County prosecutors declined to press criminal charges in that case, however, the officer is still facing the possibility of disciplinary action from the village.

Mayor Anthony Calderone has stood by Police Chief Jim Ryan despite the disciplinary issues facing the department. Calderone acknowledged that an allegation of wrongdoing can have a besmirching effect on the department's reputation. However, the mayor discouraged the notion that these incidents, viewed collectively, are damaging.

"Every circumstance has different circumstances, so I don't believe there should be a cumulative effect," Calderone said.

Employee disciplinary issues are a reality regardless of the department, and "to think that we're never going to have an employee ... that doesn't do something they shouldn't have done" would be "unrealistic," Calderone said.



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FP1907



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Posted By: Sentry
Date Posted: 25/October/2007 at 7:21pm
Well according to our drop-out do-nothing Mayor puff'n stuff "every circumstance has a different circumstance."   That even beats his "There was no physical harm here, just allegations consistent with a rape" comment about that cheating creep cop Kozak. Wherever we send that disgraced Ryan, Calderone should follow. I say they both need to go!


Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 25/October/2007 at 8:05pm
i need my facts.
 
first, how many police officers do we have? apprx.
 
w/help from the review:
1) cody - sexual harassment 2002. convicted & promoted.
2) harder - he said/he said - fired for falsely calling in sick & swearing in squad room. civil suit pending. 2005
2) johnsen - double crossed by mayor, resigned to avoid drama and bankruptcy. 2007
3) some sgt - w/ties to crook rezko? 2007
4) kozak - under disciplinary investigation on rape allegation. 2007
5) miller - harrasses sisters of brothers who have annoyed PD. has not defended himself.  2007
6) murphy - indicted on felony charges. beating the crap out of homeless guy and lying about it. 2004-2007
 
it that accurate? anything else?
 


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Posted By: Sentry
Date Posted: 25/October/2007 at 8:26pm
Well as they say. There is always tomorrow at Hedonism III aka the Forest Park police department. Keep It Going!


Posted By: piehead
Date Posted: 25/October/2007 at 8:53pm
Seems like WAY TOO MANY things for such a small police department.
 
But seeing as it's not an election year I don't see much of anything changing here.


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Posted By: videoguy
Date Posted: 25/October/2007 at 9:14pm
Its about 20% of the force, following Citizen's list.


Posted By: Carl Nyberg
Date Posted: 26/October/2007 at 8:11am
Jim Ryan should resign.

The Police Department should be moved to another commissioner's portfolio, Curry, Hoskins or Tellalian.


Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 26/October/2007 at 8:34am
time for some real accountability from mayor calderone & chief ryan.
 
as management, how do they account for this mess? 'each circumstance is unique' just isn't cutting it.  there are too many 'circumstances' that are ruining the reputation of both our town and the entire police force. 
 
are we breeding cowboys or professionals?
 
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: piehead
Date Posted: 26/October/2007 at 8:58am
From the Review:  "Employee disciplinary issues are a reality regardless of the department, and "to think that we're never going to have an employee ... that doesn't do something they shouldn't have done" would be "unrealistic," Calderone said."
 
Except Mr. Mayor we now have yet another police officer on paid administrative leave.  How many does this make in our very small police department? 
 
And the fact that these employees are supposed to be the ones upholding the laws of our village makes this even scarier.
 
So who's left on the streets, the parking enforcement people
 
 


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Posted By: piehead
Date Posted: 26/October/2007 at 10:25am
From today's Chicago Tribune:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-murphy_26oct26,1,7174542.story - http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-murphy_26oct26,1,7174542.story

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Posted By: Sentry
Date Posted: 26/October/2007 at 10:33am
Nice job Calderone, Ryan and Co. I guess they are just bringing Big City Charm via our Small Town Access. Keep It Going! and we will have the honor of replacing Cicero as the most corrupt town in the western suburbs.   


Posted By: Sentry
Date Posted: 26/October/2007 at 1:52pm
Did you ever think you would long for the days when Pope was director of operations and customer service at Hedonism III aka the Forest Park police department? That friggin' Pope now looks like catholic nun compared to this red-faced lyin' Jim Ryan.


Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 26/October/2007 at 7:26pm
pope was a bit before my time.
 
we can squabble all day long over who did what, but the 'circumstances' have piled to the height of a small mountain. i am left w/only 2 thoughts.
 
1) this is not a case of a wayward employee or two - it's the culture. management is always responsible for the culture. whether it's FPPD or starbucks. mgmt heads (plural) need to roll.
 
2) if this is indeed political payback for harder, it only makes management look more incompetant, more ridiculous. to blame it on 'employee disciplinary isses' is like a parent blaming the children for poor behavior.
 
sorry tony, it's always the parents. unless, of course, you are hiring ill, deficient officers.
 
the FPPD is a disgrace, and our town deserves better.


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Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 26/October/2007 at 7:50pm
another thing.  someone brought it up today (cannot find.)
 
this town recently elected 4 commissioners and a mayor. curry, hoskins, hosty & tellalian - you need to step up to the plate. i don't care about departments and turf. none of us do.
 
the four of you took an oath - can i assume to serve & protect the village you serve. i'm sure it did not say 'except activities/issues the mayor wants for himself.' 
 
re-read your oaths of office. it's crunch time.
 
edit:
sentry brings up a fundamental point - why don't the FP police officers demand truth & justice. let's assume they have families to care for. or whatever.
 
you four (80% of our government!), on the other hand, are the true protectors of the village, with nothing to lose.  additionally, you volunteered for the job. you asked for the voters trust and we gave it to you. step up.
 
 


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Posted By: KPO'M
Date Posted: 26/October/2007 at 9:52pm
Originally posted by Carl Nyberg Carl Nyberg wrote:

Jim Ryan should resign.

The Police Department should be moved to another commissioner's portfolio, Curry, Hoskins or Tellalian.


Of course, the real question is whether it is time for Calderone to go.  The buck needs to stop with someone, and this whole "every circumstance is different" line is getting a little old.  How many more "individual circumstances" are there left in this department? 

While I'm sure Ryan is available to be offered up as a sacrificial lamb if the pressure mounts, the obvious questions are what our "always there" and "hands-on" mayor knew about what was going on in the police department, and when. 

Politically, the mayor is lucky that the most serious of these incidents (i.e. the indictment) occurred after the election, and more than 3.5 years until the next one, so it's entirely possible the electorate will forget all of this and vote to "keep it going" again in 2011. 

As for Patrick Fitzgerald, he's obviously got a lot of fish still waiting to fry in the remaining 15 months he's the federal prosecutor, so I doubt he'd waste too much time with a small suburban cop unless this is a) such a slam dunk it won't take much in resources, or b) the tip of an iceberg that can get people talking and land him a few more convictions before he decides his next course of action.  Some federal prosecutors decide to cash in and go into private practice for a big-name law firm, while others (e.g. Jim Thompson) go into politics first.  Fitzgerald already has George Ryan to Jim Thompson's Otto Koerner, so that's my guess.


Posted By: KPO'M
Date Posted: 26/October/2007 at 9:56pm
Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

another thing.  someone brought it up today (cannot find.)
 
this town recently elected 4 commissioners and a mayor. curry, hoskins, hosty & tellalian - you need to step up to the plate. i don't care about departments and turf. none of us do.
 


It's probably this one you're thinking of:
http://www.forestparkforums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2093&SID=e88ea58e7dba5f377977bedd184dd481www.forestparkforums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2093&SID=e88ea58e7dba5f377977bedd184dd481 - http://www.forestparkforums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2093&SID=e88ea58e7dba5f377977bedd184dd481www.forestparkforums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2093&SID=e88ea58e7dba5f377977bedd184dd481

Anyway, the risk here is that the source will obscure most readers here to the fact that Sentry actually has a valid point.  Of course, we also have the ability to make FOIA requests, although it is hard to get too much information on an ongoing prosecution, I think.




Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 27/October/2007 at 10:42am
quiet this morning.
yeah, i'm depressed too. what a mess.


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Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 28/October/2007 at 8:06pm

from editorial in today's trib. they're refering to blagojevich, but do a 'fill in the blanks' exercise.

"Should ___________ remain as __________ of __________? He shows no inclination to resign from office...so the realistic question becomes this: given the multiple ineptitudes of _____________ - his reckless financial stewardship, his dictatorial antics, his penchant for creating political enemies...should citizens create a new way to terminate a chief executive who won't or can't do his job? The answer is Yes."



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Posted By: KPO'M
Date Posted: 28/October/2007 at 8:10pm
Are you suggesting we amend the village code to enable us to recall our elected officials?  It might work, although then again, I doubt that we'd even be able to recall Stroger and Blagojevich, let alone a small suburban mayor.  


Posted By: Legion
Date Posted: 04/November/2007 at 10:39pm
We should wait for a nice day and start a riot.



Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 9:59am
Originally posted by Legion Legion wrote:

We should wait for a nice day and start a riot.

 
well, it's a lovely day. and today's review should start a riot. thanks, fpr.
 
commissioners, the ball is in your court. guess we'll see the true reasons you ran for office.


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Posted By: Mr. D
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 10:57am
Time for new commissioners to stand up
     Bill Dwyer

In the wake of Sgt. Mike Murphy's indictment but just prior to the news of officer Nick Kozak's suspension, a post on the local online message board Forest Park Forums asked, "What are we breeding, cowboys or professionals?"

The answer is, unfortunately, both. And this will continue until three newly elected village commissioners see fit to stand up and demand that the cowboys with badges be corralled so the principled and professional cops may get the support they need and deserve.

The issues at stake here go beyond the hot water that any officer may find themselves in as of late. For decades, the police department has suffered from a lack of leadership, accountability and professionalism.

Chief Jim Ryan is not up to the task of reform, though the real problem is Anthony Calderone. The mayor recently discouraged the notion that a series of incidents, viewed collectively, are damaging. Damaging? They're outright damning.

The "incidents" go back to Calderone's time as a commissioner in the early '90s. He was mayor and police commissioner when Robert Wilson filed a suit that was settled in six months, and again was at the helm when another suit took just two months to settle. In addition to being a lifelong resident of this community, Calderone has been in position to hear the sordid details of the department's problems longer than any other public official. He should be well aware of the constant thread of chaos that exists, yet he has done little to correct it.

Ryan had just become chief when Sidney Hooks' lawsuit presented more evidence that Murphy, more so than any other officer on the force, believes he's a one man criminal justice system. Ryan not only didn't have the stones to buck Calderone, he actually believed, incredibly, that Murphy wasn't a problem.

Former commissioner Patrick Doolin contends that during an executive session of the village council Ryan said at the time he took full responsibility for Murphy's behavior. In light of this indictment, Ryan needs to honor his word and quit. Or be fired.

Meanwhile, the three new commissioners can vote to release the audio recording of that meeting any time they choose. There may have also been other noteworthy comments made at that meeting about how the department responded to Hooks' lawsuit.

Anyone who's been observing our police department can deduce that it isn't one bad apple causing all the turmoil. Several years ago a rape suspect was apprehended by Oak Park police and turned over to Forest Park officers. That suspect reportedly suffered minor injuries when his would be victim fought back, though nothing like what Chicago officers observed when they arrived later to take custody.

City police were reportedly so appalled at the suspect's physical condition that they refused to sign for his custody until photographs were taken to document his injuries. Thankfully, those allegations haven't been added to the pile of lawsuits already pending against this village. And through it all, Calderone just sits by, a man totally out of his depth, running the police department and this village into a financial ditch.

"Every circumstance has different circumstances, so I don't believe there should be a cumulative effect," Calderone bleated inanely to the Review.

Calderone needs to hire a genuinely tough top cop who's capable of properly administering our police department and assuring a semblance of order, honor and dignity. And then that person must insist that the mayor butt out of the day-to-day administration of the department, otherwise, this sad and costly performance will continue indefinitely. At least until three newly elected commissioners stand up for our village and do the right thing.


Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 11:18am
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Change the culture
Police plagued by controversy

As troubling as a felony indictment against one of Forest Park's top officers might be, the problems within this police department are simply too big to think that the outcome of a single case will provide the solution. The civil and criminal proceedings against Sgt. Mike Murphy span more than a decade, and though his track record is concerning, his story is only one of the threads in this department's ugly history.

Mayor Anthony Calderone recently suggested that the trials and tribulations of the department, or any of its officers, cannot be considered collectively. The long view, he said, is inappropriate because the circumstances of each complaint, each lawsuit, each termination hearing and now each indictment are different. His assertion is utterly and stunningly flawed.

This department has seen several leadership changes in the last 20 years, but regardless of who holds the reins, the political maneuvering, the allegations of brutality and the sloppy oversight persist. For this reason, we are not calling for the police chief's ouster at this time. Frankly, we don't think it would make any difference whose lap these problems land in. What we are suggesting is that the entire village council begins taking the long view.

There needs to be a clear message coming from the top as to what the expectations are for this police department. Simply installing a new officer here or another sergeant there isn't enough to change the culture without the political will to back it up. Maybe an outside agency needs to sit down with the council and layout, in all its ugly detail, exactly what the problems are so commissioners can be sure everything is addressed.

Are rank and file officers distrustful of the brass? Are there mixed messages when it comes to enforcing department policy? Should officers assume they can turn to council members if they're unhappy with a supervisor?

One of the conclusions this council must reach is that it will agree to stop meddling in police operations. The mayor has denied time and again that he's looking over the chief's shoulder, but we don't believe him. Calderone enjoys playing the hero's role. His attendance at various police calls and inflated recollection of his days as an auxiliary officer are evidence of that. And who can forget his fouling of a disciplinary matter with a former lieutenant.

The mayor's and council's role in solving the problems at the police department is to gain an understanding of the necessary changes and then find someone who can deliver. It is not the council's job to run the department, but the elected officials must set a new tone.



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Posted By: logic
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 11:26am
Glad you posted the above, citizen, makes the most sense to me. Ryan really did inherit a mess.


Posted By: piehead
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 11:56am
But Ryan has done nothing that I can see to improve things since he has been appointed. 

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Posted By: logic
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 12:03pm
I don't know that, pie, seems all we hear about is the "bad" stuff.


Posted By: piehead
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 12:15pm
What is some of the good stuff then?  His teaming up with Calderone to get him re-elected and running the crime prevention (aka get Calderone elected) meetings that appear to have stopped cold after April?  His not honoring the Mayor's handshake agreement with Johnsen on the whole Shaw debacle? 
 
If you've heard of good stuff, please let's hear some.


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Posted By: Mr. Deeds
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

I don't know that, pie, seems all we hear about is the "bad" stuff.


Since when has the village held their tongue on the "good stuff"?
You'd think with the complaining going on during the harder & Johnsen fiasco's, that they'd have plugged the chief more by letting us know about all those great things he's done.

Outside of handing out a couple of firings and a few suspensions, what has he brought to the table? For what he gets paid, I expect a bit more. Like I said, he's been mediocre at best. Given the money he makes and what some say he inherited, we deserve a more capable person.

Why am I trashing the chief again, some might ask. Until I talk to the person I'd rather not say specifically, but he suspended someone I know for the most stupid reason in the world. When I heard the circumstances, I lost all respect for the man as a leader.




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Those who can make you believe absurdities have the power to make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire~


Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 12:32pm
it appears the problem w/chief ryan is that he is not the leader. the mayor is.
time for the commissioners to reel tony in.


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Posted By: logic
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 12:40pm
Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

His not honoring the Mayor's handshake agreement with Johnsen on the whole Shaw debacle? 
Do you believe that was Ryan's sole decision or did he take a hit for the Mayor?



Posted By: Insider
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 12:46pm
The P.D. is at the boiling point, nobody can stand Ryan. Ryan is a joke and should be forced into retirment and Calderone is a failure.


Posted By: piehead
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 12:47pm
Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

it appears the problem w/chief ryan is that he is not the leader. the mayor is.
time for the commissioners to reel tony in.
 
If what you say is true citizen, then Johnsen would still be on the force doing his job.


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Posted By: piehead
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 12:48pm
Originally posted by logic logic wrote:

Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

His not honoring the Mayor's handshake agreement with Johnsen on the whole Shaw debacle? 
Do you believe that was Ryan's sole decision or did he take a hit for the Mayor?

Not for a second.  If he did, then he really should go as he is not doing his job.


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Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by Insider Insider wrote:

The P.D. is at the boiling point, nobody can stand Ryan. Ryan is a joke and should be forced into retirment and Calderone is a failure.
 
retirement? sounds lovely.
who exactly funds a police officer's retirement - the union?
 


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Posted By: Mr. Deeds
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 1:12pm
Ryan is already collecting a pension from when he retired from the Schaumburg PD. So it's not like he's going to go hungry. Been spending the last few years double-dipping. Which might also explain the lackluster performance and underachieving.



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Those who can make you believe absurdities have the power to make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire~


Posted By: Athena
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 5:19pm
Ryan is collection a pension from another department and making good money in FP.  He doesn't need this headache right now; however, Ryan and Tony are connected at the hip and I don't think Ryan's will to take the hit on this one.  They'll probably sink or swim together while he keeps earning a darn good pay check to boot.

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Posted By: Athena
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 5:21pm
There I go with the Sp. again!  Meant to say Ryan is collecting.Approve Oops!

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Posted By: Insider
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 5:30pm
I hope they sink.


Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 5:36pm
Originally posted by Insider Insider wrote:

The P.D. is at the boiling point, nobody can stand Ryan. Ryan is a joke and should be forced into retirment and Calderone is a failure.
insider, can you expand.
is ryan just a poor manager? is he stupid, or just doesn't care?
 
and how does calderone figure in? who is the leader/brains of the duo?
 
 


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Posted By: Insider
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 5:43pm
Academically Ryan would be challenged by a sixth grader and Calderone is a high school drop out who always wanted to be a cop. Two peas in a pod. If they don't leave on their own the feds are going to have their tails sitting next to ex Gov. Ryan. I just hope the fallout doesn't hurt other good people on the department.


Posted By: Athena
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 5:50pm
Originally posted by Insider Insider wrote:

Academically Ryan would be challenged by a sixth grader and Calderone is a high school drop out who always wanted to be a cop. Two peas in a pod. If they don't leave on their own the feds are going to have their tails sitting next to ex Gov. Ryan. I just hope the fallout doesn't hurt other good people on the department.
 
Hey.  If Ryan would be academically challenged by a sixth grader it begs the question, "Is he smarter than a 5th grader?"


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Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 5:57pm
hmm. calderone as a cop. not too comfortable w/that image.
the review editorial really zinged him on that today.
 
so you're basically saying that they both mess around w/people and the department because they can? and are not smart enough to anticipate the consequences? and when the sh*t hits the fan, they blame it on political enemies/vindictive employees?
 
any shrinks in the house? what's the diagnosis?


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Posted By: videoguy
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 6:02pm
Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

so you're basically saying that they both mess around w/people and the department because they can? and are not smart enough to anticipate the consequences? and when the sh*t hits the fan, they blame it on political enemies/vindictive employees


Pretty much seems to sum it up. I think a shrink would call it extreme narcissism, for Calderone. He thinks he can do anything and get away with it. Karma is a bitch, and he is ignoring it.


Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 6:30pm
back to bill dwyer's column in today's review.
 
it does not seem that the PD can get itself straight without the commissioners' insisting. there is no other real way, everything else is band-aids.
so, fellow residents & taxpayers, what can we do to ensure their 'political will?"
 
also, has anyone tallied up the costs involved w/lawsuits, investigations w/the PD over the past 10 or so years?
 
 


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Posted By: Athena
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 6:39pm
Originally posted by videoguy videoguy wrote:

Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

so you're basically saying that they both mess around w/people and the department because they can? and are not smart enough to anticipate the consequences? and when the sh*t hits the fan, they blame it on political enemies/vindictive employees


Pretty much seems to sum it up. I think a shrink would call it extreme narcissism, for Calderone. He thinks he can do anything and get away with it. Karma is a bitch, and he is ignoring it.
 
I agree Video Guy.  They real problem for Calderone (and by hanging his hat with this guy, Ryan) is that they really did believe that they can do what they want, retaliate against whoever they pleased.  They didn't care about the cost to the tax payers or what would happen in the press.  They thought they were the ultimate power and could scare the opposition (not necessarily political opposition) away.  They were the last word in this village.  Now the FEDS are watching and they are in the big leagues!  They already thought they were but they were sadly mistaken.  The FEDS play for keeps!  They have such a high conviction rate they they don't even go for the indictments unless they are certain they can convict.  Another thing they seem to do is follow the feeding chain.  The little guys are always the first to be indicted because they can offer them deals and go after the big fish.  I suspect the big fish in town are 1). The Chief of Police 2). The mayor.  Hope they've had they're fun because there is (almost) always a price to pay.


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Posted By: Mr. Deeds
Date Posted: 07/November/2007 at 11:41pm
Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

also, has anyone tallied up the costs involved w/lawsuits, investigations w/the PD over the past 10 or so years? 


Almost all settlements come with a non-disclosure clause. I would guess that many police abuse cases involving personal harm or injury settle in the 6 figure range.



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Those who can make you believe absurdities have the power to make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire~


Posted By: piehead
Date Posted: 08/November/2007 at 11:01am
Is there yet another officer out on paid administrative leave now?  for excessive force?  and being kept real, real quiet? 
 
Don't we taxpayers have a right to know? 
 
How many officers are out on paid administrative leave? 
 
Who's minding the store? 
 
Who's left on the force?  The parking enforcement officers?
 
RYAN MUST GO.


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Posted By: Mr. Deeds
Date Posted: 08/November/2007 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

 
Who's minding the store? 
 
Who's left on the force?  The parking enforcement officers?
 
RYAN MUST GO.


This summer Ryan suspended one of the PEO's until January. Over hot dogs!
He asked the guy to hook him up with "Hot Dog" the owner of Jimmies Hot Dogs on Grand avenue. The PEO contacted Hot Dog who told him all the dogs would be free, and to give the chief his number so he could call him the day before about how many they needed, and what time someone would pick them up. The PEO passed the number & instructions onto the Chief.
Well, the word is that the chief forgot to call or have someone take care of it. On the day of the event there were no dogs. The Chief then told the PEO..... You set me up to look bad, and for that you're going home for the rest of the year!

The PEO was not asked to follow up on the free hot dogs. He did what he was asked to do and passed the info to the chief. The chief messed up and blamed it on the PEO.
End of story. (Except for the part where he threatened the job of another PEO afterwards because he's a friend of the first.)

Cry


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Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 08/November/2007 at 12:55pm
Originally posted by administrator administrator wrote:

Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

 
Who's minding the store? 
 
Who's left on the force?  The parking enforcement officers?
 
RYAN MUST GO.


This summer Ryan suspended one of the PEO's until January. Over hot dogs!
He asked the guy to hook him up with "Hot Dog" the owner of Jimmies Hot Dogs on Grand avenue. The PEO contacted Hot Dog who told him all the dogs would be free, and to give the chief his number so he could call him the day before about how many they needed, and what time someone would pick them up. The PEO passed the number & instructions onto the Chief.
Well, the word is that the chief forgot to call or have someone take care of it. On the day of the event there were no dogs. The Chief then told the PEO..... You set me up to look bad, and for that you're going home for the rest of the year!

The PEO was not asked to follow up on the free hot dogs. He did what he was asked to do and passed the info to the chief. The chief messed up and blamed it on the PEO.
End of story. (Except for the part where he threatened the job of another PEO afterwards because he's a friend of the first.)

Cry
 
you're kidding, right? your story cannot be true.
an adult did this? our police chief did this?
 
 


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Posted By: Legion
Date Posted: 08/November/2007 at 1:02pm
Nice. We have a man who can't plan a picnic managing employees who carry guns and nightsticks. Good to see you folks starting to wake up.


Posted By: Mr. Deeds
Date Posted: 08/November/2007 at 1:07pm
The person who told me this is not prone to lying. He's a police officer in another town who knows both of the PEO's in question. I heard the PEO was suspended but not the reason why until last week. I have no reason to doubt the validity of the story. If anyone knows the PEO's, I'm sure they can confirm it. (Unless someone gets to them first and tells them to shut up. Or else.)



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Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 08/November/2007 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by Legion Legion wrote:

Nice. We have a man who can't plan a picnic managing employees who carry guns and nightsticks. Good to see you folks starting to wake up.
 
1) can't plan a picnic (incompetence)
2) wants to have a picnic, but doesn't want to pay for the picnic (arrogance, entitlement)
3) frustrated by his own stupidity, serves up cruel & unusual punishment (cruelty, anger un-management)
4) and threatens an innocent. to boot. (insanity)
 
admin, wrong emoticon. not sadness, madness.


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Posted By: Mr. Deeds
Date Posted: 08/November/2007 at 1:14pm
Ok then. The next time I'll use this one: Loco

Actually, the tears were for the suspended PEO. He's been a long time employee and is a great guy. Sorry to see him handed the short end of the stick for trying to do someone a favor.
Angry



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Those who can make you believe absurdities have the power to make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire~


Posted By: videoguy
Date Posted: 08/November/2007 at 1:53pm
He doesnt get paid enough to buy his own hot dogs? What a loser. Unbelievable.


Posted By: Mr. Deeds
Date Posted: 08/November/2007 at 1:58pm
I'll have to find out if it was a personal, departmental, or village-wide event. Not that it matters, but I'd like to know for curiosity's sake. Does anyone remember if there were hot dogs at Groovin in the Grove? Were there any PD picnics this summer? Did Montefiore have a class reunion?





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Posted By: KPO'M
Date Posted: 08/November/2007 at 10:21pm
Originally posted by piehead piehead wrote:

Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

it appears the problem w/chief ryan is that he is not the leader. the mayor is.
time for the commissioners to reel tony in.
 
If what you say is true citizen, then Johnsen would still be on the force doing his job.


Not if the whole affair was a ruse to make Calderone look like the "reasonable" person caught in the middle of an internal dispute.  It's also possible that Calderone was willing to let Ryan have his way on that one rather than risk undermining his already-weakened police chief further.  Calderone's also sparred with Ryan on the whole issue of the "police surge" at Thornton's, of which Ryan was skeptical would be effective.

Basically, as mayor, Calderone's only real authority over Ryan is to replace him.  Perhaps he isn't comfortable using the "nuclear option."


Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 09/November/2007 at 8:15am
first, thanks admin, for putting some 'meat' on the problems w/chief ryan.
folks can say he is petty, vindictive, incompetent til the cows come home, but actual reports help make it real, help folks decide. of course, not all reporters are credible, but you are. certainly in this case. 
 
i found the fpr editorials interesting that they didn't really care about getting rid of ryan - just another badge.
their analysis focused on the mayor and the commissioners. perhaps that is where we need to keep our focus, also. they recommend:
  • outside agent present analysis of PD climate, recurring problems to full VC 
  • whole VC set out clear expectations
  • hire a proper chief
  • mayor butt out of PD operations

the last item will likely be the most difficult to achieve.

 


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Posted By: Insider
Date Posted: 09/November/2007 at 8:34am

That's actually the problem, Calderone butts out too much, Ryan says boo and Calderone hides under the desk. I don't know what's worse though, he's two faced and has no clue how to run anything. If it wasn't for his political title his alarm business would be in the ground by now too. Hope the feds catch on to that. How many businesses in town large and small use his company(even village buildings)? Check it out. 



Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 09/November/2007 at 1:03pm
Originally posted by Insider Insider wrote:

That's actually the problem, Calderone butts out too much, Ryan says boo and Calderone hides under the desk. I don't know what's worse though, he's two faced and has no clue how to run anything. If it wasn't for his political title his alarm business would be in the ground by now too. Hope the feds catch on to that. How many businesses in town large and small use his company(even village buildings)? Check it out. 

 
yeah, but...
if the mandate was clear and had the full vc behind it, and a proper chief was hired, there would be no reason for any mayor to fiddle in day-to-day.


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Posted By: Insider
Date Posted: 09/November/2007 at 3:14pm
Your right, meddling in the day to day ops. wouldn't be appropriate for any Mayor but he is still responsible for keeping everyone in line. Johnsen's cenario was a perfect example. People should look into what Ryan might be holding over Calderone's head. There are reasons why the tail is wagging the dog.


Posted By: watcher
Date Posted: 09/November/2007 at 3:21pm
Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

yeah, but...
if the mandate was clear and had the full vc behind it, and a proper chief was hired, there would be no reason for any mayor to fiddle in day-to-day.


Yeah, but...
Pope was hand-picked by MATC and endorsed by the full VC. Ryan was hand-picked by MATC and approved by the last majority. Why would you think the NEXT hand-picked by MATC chief would be different?

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Posted By: Insider
Date Posted: 09/November/2007 at 3:43pm
Ryan's motivation for over stepping Calderone on the Johnsen deal is simple and everyone knows it, Johnsen was a constant threat to taking Ryan's job.


Posted By: logic
Date Posted: 09/November/2007 at 5:17pm
Have to keep reminding myself to behave. (sorry off-topic)


Posted By: JBWB
Date Posted: 09/November/2007 at 5:26pm
I say Carl Nyberg for police chief, that way job opportunities will open up for serving breakfast, lunch and diner with white gloves to the criminals in the jails.
 
Oooops almost forgot, the police will also ask for permission from a suspect if it is OK to arrest them.


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Posted By: JBWB
Date Posted: 09/November/2007 at 5:27pm
Carl will also appoint Bill dope Dwyer to beat up the police officers if they look funny at someone.
 
Let the show begin!


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Posted By: citizen
Date Posted: 09/November/2007 at 6:45pm
Originally posted by watcher watcher wrote:

Originally posted by citizen citizen wrote:

yeah, but...
if the mandate was clear and had the full vc behind it, and a proper chief was hired, there would be no reason for any mayor to fiddle in day-to-day.


Yeah, but...
Pope was hand-picked by MATC and endorsed by the full VC. Ryan was hand-picked by MATC and approved by the last majority. Why would you think the NEXT hand-picked by MATC chief would be different?
 
well, i've been thinking all week that the problem is our stupid form of gov't, that creates & breeds at least half the problems in the town. but i didn't want to divert attention.
 
too much power on one person's plate. bad system.
 


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Posted By: Mr. Deeds
Date Posted: 09/November/2007 at 8:42pm
The Mayor showing unwavering support for a chief that has been ineffective in correcting the problems within our PD is one problem. If he is the only one who can ask for a resignation or look for a replacement, that's another. The VC votes to approve a candidate for hiring, but only one person can fire or retire a Department Head? Is that correct?
At%20a%20loss



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Those who can make you believe absurdities have the power to make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire~


Posted By: KPO'M
Date Posted: 09/November/2007 at 10:56pm
Originally posted by administrator administrator wrote:

The Mayor showing unwavering support for a chief that has been ineffective in correcting the problems within our PD is one problem. If he is the only one who can ask for a resignation or look for a replacement, that's another. The VC votes to approve a candidate for hiring, but only one person can fire or retire a Department Head? Is that correct?
At%20a%20loss



What's the problem with that?  Don't you understand JBWB's point?  Calderone supports Ryan, so if you support Calderone and think he's a decent mayor overall, you have absolutely no right whatsoever to complain about any decision he makes.  After all, you are either with him, or you are against him.  Since you voted to "keep it going," then you should just shut up.  Otherwise, we might have Carl Nyberg as police chief.


Posted By: Mr. Deeds
Date Posted: 09/November/2007 at 11:01pm
From what I remember, you used to like Nyberg. At least he has a degree, which is what your favorite candidate used to push for in a department head.
Taunt


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Those who can make you believe absurdities have the power to make you commit atrocities. ~Voltaire~


Posted By: KPO'M
Date Posted: 09/November/2007 at 11:11pm
Originally posted by administrator administrator wrote:

From what I remember, you used to like Nyberg. At least he has a degree, which is what your favorite candidate used to push for in a department head.
Taunt


As you might have surmised, I meant my post mostly as a jab at JBWB.  That said, there are things I like about Nyberg, although I have always doubted that we see eye to eye on most political issues.  When it comes to local politics, though, I really don't care what someone's view is on national political issues.


Posted By: Mr. Deeds
Date Posted: 09/November/2007 at 11:23pm
Citizen was right about there being a problem with our "local" system of government. If the Mayor or a commissioner is the only person who can retain or discharge a department head, doesn't that create a symbiotic relationship between the two? That might be fine in an idyllic situation, but leaves too much room for undue influence and personal ties. It's a form of patronage that makes me uncomfortable. It essentially means that we may have to wait 4 years for a new police chief. How depressing.



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Posted By: Insider
Date Posted: 10/November/2007 at 8:07am

Correction..... 3.5 and counting.



Posted By: Katie
Date Posted: 13/August/2008 at 10:21pm
Bump. Read on.

http://www.forestparkreview.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=38&ArticleID=3424&TM=84013.84 - http://www.forestparkreview.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=38&ArticleID=3424&TM=84013.84



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